Post #414,674
10/20/16 1:59:58 PM
10/20/16 1:59:58 PM
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There was that one dealbreaker...
...about not respecting the entire US democratic tradition.
And if that didn't change your mind, well. You're fucking mental, is what you are. (generic "you", obvs!)
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Post #414,675
10/20/16 3:26:58 PM
10/20/16 3:26:58 PM
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what tradition?
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
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Post #414,676
10/20/16 3:43:50 PM
10/20/16 3:43:50 PM
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The one before the Great Civil War of 1968 when Nixon took over after Johnson, remember?
We don't typically have wars after change of party. Trump is using the language of those advocating one this time.
HTH.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #414,678
10/20/16 3:47:57 PM
10/20/16 3:47:57 PM
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Re: what tradition?
The peaceful transfer of power.
You've been doing it since 1800 or so.
You might have heard of this thing called "Google". All the kids are doing it.
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Post #414,680
10/20/16 3:57:20 PM
10/20/16 3:57:20 PM
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Oh, let me google then
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
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Post #414,683
10/20/16 4:06:39 PM
10/20/16 4:06:39 PM
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Snort
Gore went to court. Litigation is the American way. It's also peaceful. He lost in court, he conceded. FIN
Your second link is irrelevant: who's not acceding to the peaceful transfer of power? No-one. I
Your third link is full of people who aren't presidential candidates and whose opinions are fine, dandy, and irrelevant.
You need to work harder at your googlism.
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Post #414,684
10/20/16 4:34:09 PM
10/20/16 4:34:09 PM
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you need to work harder at your traditions
the donald does not need to accept the results of the election for a peaceful hand over of power. You think Obama will put her in jail and rule via fiat? Hardly. As far as civic unrest due to an election we did that once in 1861, didnt work out too well.
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
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Post #414,679
10/20/16 3:53:16 PM
10/20/16 3:53:16 PM
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Re: what tradition?
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #414,681
10/20/16 3:58:34 PM
10/20/16 3:58:34 PM
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having class is not a tradition
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
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Post #414,682
10/20/16 4:06:27 PM
10/20/16 4:06:27 PM
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Said one plutocrat to another.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,686
10/20/16 4:45:26 PM
10/20/16 4:45:26 PM
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You realize that George Washington was a rich man, right?
A rich guy named Girard saved the country in the War of 1812. Rich men have their uses, sometimes. When was this glorious age when peasants and workers ran the world again? :-/ Cheers, Scott.
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Post #414,690
10/20/16 6:04:02 PM
10/20/16 6:04:02 PM
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Worth noting as well
...that Bill Clinton was not remotely in the "plutocrat" class in 1993.
cordially,
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Post #414,691
10/20/16 6:16:24 PM
10/20/16 6:16:24 PM
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Indeed. But he doesn't count because Clinton == Icky.
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Post #414,700
10/21/16 8:24:10 AM
10/21/16 8:24:10 AM
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Maybe he wasn't, but Obama ... wait ... what was the point again?
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Post #414,706
10/21/16 8:49:10 AM
10/21/16 8:49:31 AM
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No, but he was their servant. Turned Treasury over to Wall St. within a year.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 21, 2016, 08:49:31 AM EDT
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Post #414,714
10/21/16 10:46:06 AM
10/21/16 10:46:06 AM
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Yeah, that's why he raised their taxes, because he was "their servant". (Groucho-roll-eyes.gif)
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Post #414,717
10/21/16 11:50:25 AM
10/21/16 11:50:25 AM
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And repealed Glass-Stegall (rolls-eyes)
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,719
10/21/16 12:01:25 PM
10/21/16 12:01:25 PM
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Re: And repealed Glass-Stegall (rolls-eyes)
http://www.davemanuel.com/fact-check-did-bill-clinton-repeal-the-glass-steagall-act-120/The three co-sponsors of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act were:
Sen. Phil Gramm - R Rep. Jim Leach - R Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. - R
In 1999, the Republicans held a majority in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.
The final version of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act passed the House by a vote of 362-57 and the Senate by a vote of 90-8. This made the bill "veto proof", meaning that if Clinton had decided to veto, the bill would have been passed anyways. Having said that, if Clinton truly didn't want the bill to become law, he could have vetoed the bill in a symbolic gesture, but this did not happen. Yeah, it's all Clinton's fault. http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/10/glass-steagall-and-the-crisis.html(Quoting Ryan Lizza) But others note that the pure investment banks, like Lehman Brothers, have been the greatest source of instability, while the banks with combined commercial and investment arms have fared the best. “Banks did terrible things, investment banks did terrible things, a big insurance company named A.I.G. did terrible things, but basically none of that was enabled by the repeal of Glass-Steagall,” said Alan Blinder, an economist at Princeton, who had his share of confrontations with Summers when he was a member of the C.E.A., in the first two years of the Clinton Administration. Brad DeLong added, “To say that the breaking down of the Glass-Steagall wall between investment banks and commercial banks was the source of the current crisis is just wrong”...
Yeah, it's all Clinton's fault. What's that old expression? Oh yeah: Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. - H.L. Mencken HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #414,721
10/21/16 12:39:28 PM
10/21/16 12:39:28 PM
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Clinton won that election by promising to execute contract with america
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
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Post #414,722
10/21/16 12:48:30 PM
10/21/16 12:48:30 PM
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"Execute" has several meanings. More words, please.
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Post #414,730
10/21/16 4:49:28 PM
10/21/16 4:49:28 PM
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Re: the banks with combined commercial and investment arms have fared the best.
Why hell yes they did. Because of the repeal of Glass Stegall, their gambling arm was backed by the taxpayer.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,704
10/21/16 8:46:25 AM
10/21/16 8:46:25 AM
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Re: When was this glorious age when peasants and workers ran the world again?
It's coming. Russia, October 1917 was only a promo. ;0)
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,705
10/21/16 8:47:50 AM
10/21/16 8:47:50 AM
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How'd that work out for them?
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Post #414,707
10/21/16 8:53:19 AM
10/21/16 8:53:19 AM
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How's that literacy and poverty thing working out for us here?
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,708
10/21/16 9:20:57 AM
10/21/16 9:20:57 AM
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Whatabout whatabout whatabout ... nope, can't answer can you?
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Post #414,710
10/21/16 9:44:14 AM
10/21/16 9:44:14 AM
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Gorbachev did in seven years what the CIA could not in 70. The collapse was a catastrophe.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,711
10/21/16 10:26:50 AM
10/21/16 10:26:50 AM
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Redux
Q: When was this glorious age when peasants and workers ran the world again?
A: It's coming. Russia, October 1917 was only a promo.
Explain.
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Post #414,713
10/21/16 10:45:29 AM
10/21/16 10:45:29 AM
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just a late model of the 1789 uprising
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
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Post #414,716
10/21/16 11:49:46 AM
10/21/16 11:49:46 AM
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Sheesh. Two things.
First, what part of "It's coming" is ambiguous? Has the peasant class ever ruled? No. But that doesn't mean there won't be some point in the future where they will rise - just as they did in Russia. Reagan set us on a path to polarize wealth to virtually the same extent that existed in Tsarist Russia and no president, no Senate, no House since has done anything to reverse that trend. It works, for a while, but when the peasants get hungry...
Second, and perhaps more importantly, did you miss the wink? Interesting that you left it out of the post quoting me.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,718
10/21/16 11:59:09 AM
10/21/16 11:59:09 AM
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I missed the joke*
So you agree the peasants have never ruled. But your example (of the next best thing? closest we've ever come?) hasn't ended well for the peasants.
Yay for the peasants overthrowing the czars, I guess. But if that just leads to the oligarchs, I wouldn't exactly point to it as something to try again.
* Not missed as in "didn't see it" but missed as in "didn't think it was funny".
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Post #414,725
10/21/16 1:58:30 PM
10/21/16 1:58:30 PM
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When the peasants get hungry...
...they rise, overthrow the ruling class, and replace the ruling class with their own ruling class. Only now, it's just called The Party.
And the people at the bottom keep on getting fucked, because what goes around, comes around.
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Post #414,727
10/21/16 3:06:47 PM
10/21/16 3:06:47 PM
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Re: Gorbachev did in seven years what the CIA could not in 70...
I'm with you as far as the demise of the USSR having been in broad terms a Bad Thing (for them and for us: the removal of that ideological counterweight has led to some particularly vicious excesses on the part of emboldened late-stage capitalism), but your facile quip attributes to the Central Intelligence Agency a mastery of the space-time continuum it never possessed (or so they'd have us believe), given that it had been chartered just forty-four years earlier by the time the commies folded.
in solidarity,
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Post #414,729
10/21/16 4:44:55 PM
10/21/16 4:51:29 PM
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I stole the line.
I'd have attributed it if I knew the original source. My father told me many Russians he'd spoken with in the mid-1990's were fond of saying that. I believe the "70 years" refers to how long the USSR existed (it didn't quite see its 70th birthday, but close enough for jazz, as they say). That the CIA's intention was always to destroy it, I think, cannot be disputed.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Oct. 21, 2016, 04:51:29 PM EDT
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Post #414,687
10/20/16 4:55:16 PM
10/20/16 4:55:16 PM
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Imagine a Republican saying that today
Your success now is our country's success/ Besides the obvious, within a few minutes people would be outraged at the suggestion that a Democrat was included in "our" country.
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