Is there evidence that the stress is because of the tests

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Post #38,088 by boxley 5/9/02 1:31:37 PM Reply	Is there evidence that the stress is because of the tests or is the stress related to the competency of the teachers? If not tests how do you measure success? What hard key indicators can you provide for nationwide indications of teacher competency? What do the Brits use now? Or the Euro's? 90% of this years graduating highschoolers dont have even a basic grasp of American History. Is it because they are stupid or the educators are not educating? This is not a generic teacher slam as I have met great teachers and piss poor ones and all three of my schoolagers go to public schools. thanx, Bill TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
Post #38,098 by mmoffitt 5/9/02 2:53:19 PM Reply	Lack of history education is by design. Otherwise we'd have rioting in the streets over the Supreme Court's hijacking of the Presidential election.
Post #38,104 by boxley 5/9/02 3:06:15 PM Reply	yep, the people here in florida were pretty po'ed at the FSC If folks knew history the Florida critters would have selected the electors, there would have been a fight in DC to throw them out. It would have lost by party line. The constitution would kick in and the congress would have forwarded Bush to the Senate who depending on Jeffords would have been declared the winner. Else Denny Hastert would be the president. ONE MORE TIME WITH FEELING FOR THE WEST WING CROWD there is no scenario under law that would have got gore in the door thanx, bill TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
Post #38,116 by Brandioch 5/9/02 4:18:06 PM Reply	Ah, but doing it legally and by the book...... There is something to be said for following the procedures outlined. If nothing else, it maintains faith in the system.
Post #38,132 by mmoffitt 5/9/02 5:48:17 PM Reply	Um, how about the scenario of... *accurately* measuring the intent of the voter? Or just plain counting all the votes and excluding the double-dipped ones? Concur w/Brandi's assessment as well.
Post #38,220 by boxley 5/10/02 11:42:34 AM Reply	wouldnt make a difference If there had been any likely hood of a tip to gore, the legislature was poised to send their own electors, ending up in the house and a repo president. No scenario would produce a gore presidency. TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS

Dubya's "Teach to the Test" Policy claims its first victim. - (mmoffitt) - (33) - May 9, 2002, 10:36:30 AM EDT

lets see, she was crazy enough to kill herself? - (boxley) - (11) - May 9, 2002, 10:40:33 AM EDT

Comment removed by author. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (10) - May 9, 2002, 10:46:08 AM EDT

That was a fair comment - (boxley) - (9) - May 9, 2002, 10:54:34 AM EDT

Not fair, childish. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - May 9, 2002, 11:01:00 AM EDT

Like you said we DONT know what was on her mind - (boxley) - (7) - May 9, 2002, 11:18:17 AM EDT

Begs a question. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - May 9, 2002, 12:41:33 PM EDT

Is there evidence that the stress is because of the tests - (boxley) - (5) - May 9, 2002, 01:31:37 PM EDT

Lack of history education is by design. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - May 9, 2002, 02:53:19 PM EDT

yep, the people here in florida were pretty po'ed at the FSC - (boxley) - (3) - May 9, 2002, 03:06:15 PM EDT

Ah, but doing it legally and by the book...... - (Brandioch) - May 9, 2002, 04:18:06 PM EDT

Um, how about the scenario of... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - May 9, 2002, 05:48:17 PM EDT

wouldnt make a difference - (boxley) - May 10, 2002, 11:42:34 AM EDT

What I asked my mom last night. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - May 9, 2002, 12:01:45 PM EDT

All I lack is Student Teaching. - (mmoffitt) - May 9, 2002, 12:49:07 PM EDT

Misplaced blame. - (bepatient) - (18) - May 9, 2002, 02:25:47 PM EDT

IIF invalid. - (mmoffitt) - (17) - May 9, 2002, 02:58:21 PM EDT

Not quite.... - (bepatient) - (16) - May 9, 2002, 03:31:57 PM EDT

IQ testing, "achievement" testing == NUMBERS as gauge - - (Ashton) - May 9, 2002, 04:16:18 PM EDT

Let's get one thing straight. - (mmoffitt) - (14) - May 9, 2002, 05:51:09 PM EDT

Lets get something clear. - (bepatient) - (13) - May 9, 2002, 07:45:56 PM EDT

Not a semantics game. - (mmoffitt) - (12) - May 10, 2002, 12:58:32 PM EDT

Dude... - (bepatient) - (11) - May 10, 2002, 01:14:31 PM EDT

I hear this all the time and it is nonsense. - (mmoffitt) - (10) - May 10, 2002, 02:44:55 PM EDT

No its not. - (bepatient) - (9) - May 12, 2002, 11:37:35 PM EDT

You can't tell anything from looking at "average salaries". - (mmoffitt) - (8) - May 13, 2002, 02:54:52 PM EDT

You made that point.. - (bepatient) - (7) - May 13, 2002, 04:37:13 PM EDT

GACK! We'd agree??? Somebody shoot me :-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (6) - May 13, 2002, 05:32:25 PM EDT

Scary part... - (bepatient) - (5) - May 13, 2002, 08:57:15 PM EDT

See BeeP? this is whatcha get by.. - (Ashton) - (4) - May 14, 2002, 05:24:55 PM EDT

Got me there... - (bepatient) - (3) - May 14, 2002, 05:41:16 PM EDT

OK.. then I'll confess - (Ashton) - (2) - May 14, 2002, 06:39:15 PM EDT

Made me look it up... - (bepatient) - May 14, 2002, 09:45:49 PM EDT

weird - (bepatient) - May 14, 2002, 09:46:29 PM EDT

Yeah, God forbid it should be your Mom.
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