That may be the most lucid explanation yet seen re.

Post #333,562 by Ashton 10/2/10 5:41:12 AM Reply	That may be the most lucid explanation yet seen re. Why Windows VS 'Other' programmers are, at least when faced-off: unable to communicate, almost to the exten of most-any 'political' non-dialogue (since GWB blew up the Empire.) If you really meant: Most programmers simply did not know about them, and they continued to code, blaming other stuff for any problems. Then words fail ... especially in the light of the US Navy (only once, was it?) actually letting NT 'run' one of its minesweepers IIRC. I mean.. I mean.. was it a Secret that these programmers --even by the date of that fiasco-- Did Not Know that most-all the random, destructive failures were about BAD POINTER (-coding) ?? Scary.. Imagine if your power-brakes were run on C++ eh? never mind the missiles.
Post #333,569 by boxley 10/2/10 8:44:58 AM Reply	mine sweepers, howsabout aircraft carriers? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #333,585 by crazy 10/2/10 12:16:54 PM Reply	oh, I meant it Early NT was great. It brought in memory protection to retrain the programmers. They fought like HELL. Their Win 3.x and 95 programs would not run, and they spent months before they could release them. Before that point, they'd patch a bug, and ship. Not anymore: they touched the code, recompiled, and crashed in thousands of places, again and again. They were FURIOUS. And so were their clients. It used to be you could get a bug fix from a responsive windows programmer in a couple of weeks (at least for our systems). We went to NT, and it took months. The full transition took years, and the entire time was spent trying to blame the chain of code owners, ie: local apps, 3rd part libraries, OS libraries, other apps running on the box, network drivers, video driver, etc. It settled down, it started to work, NT 3.51 was ROCK SOLID. Dave Cutler RULES! And then they went for video speed, allowed video drivers to crash the box, allowed any code to call the video drivers, and it started again. It never got better. Windows will never be fixed as long as they maintain their ring permission structure. And windows programmers will always have someone to blame.
Post #333,606 by Ashton 10/3/10 2:18:09 AM Reply	..Waiting for other shoe to drop And, it did: "Video drivers in Ring ZERO" as in cha. cha. cha. I guess that really does cover the core of the matter, then. (See, sometimes we non-programmers even, can grok-to-Fullness what it means to grant full (kernel) ACCESS to an unknown assortment of them 'entrepreneurs with an LLC') -- trying to make their insanely-great new video card hit Mach(o)-1!ONE!! ...and they get in a hurry ... to ship and.. and.. Now all that crap is fucking-Legacy, (I believe is the word for the trap that Redmond never can get out of) / all those aps playing-nice or sometimes not. SO then, IYO (too) -- they really Can't cut that umbilical and start over with a real OS ... ergo, Windows Shall Suck til Redmond dies by 1000 cuts / the death of all the cash-cows, as these end up in some Cloud-thing. (Sad for the World: that process is already taking Too Long.) Kinda thought it was (still) that way, but you'd expect --in a new century-- a place with that much purloined cash to have highly paid consultants as might Tell Them. Or maybe that's too dangerous for the consultant wanting a sinecure (?) Jeez I despise ethics-free bizness, especially when it's almost the only kind around, now. :-/
Post #333,609 by crazy 10/3/10 6:52:18 AM Reply	I saw corp presentations a couple of days ago The company I'm now working for seems to have been started by a couple of hippies. The corporate statement on integrity is really idealistic. I like it, but it's not realistic. If you lived by it, you'd live a life of dangerous exposure to the people who don't follow it. And I think the owners might, so they possibly really believe in it, I'd like to follow it to the letter, but it would be crazy. And I'm not THAT crazy. Sometimes you just have to keep your mouth shut until specifically asked for your input.

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