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New Re: <snoopy dance>
you aren't following my logic. You are ignoring it.

Government records don't control the outcome of unhappy dry cleaning.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Sure he did
He just doesn't believe your "solution" is one that is legally permissible. It opens up way too many doors into additional government control based on possibly faulty records. And puts the judge into an research/advocacy position. And once that happens, each scenario comes up.

Slippery slope dude. But even if it wasn't a slippery slope, his 1st point is still valid.

He didn't go after the "it's too tough" or "it can't be done". He may have included them as part of the descriptive process, but that's not the core.

You, on the other hand, focused on random possibly implementation details, and why it's good, and right, and of course should be done. And bitched about those lazy short-sighted programmers.

Which of course set you up for a no win, because you fell into the "shit's easy" trap. It's always easy on paper. And it's always easy for project managers who have to check off if it is done. It's f'ing insanely difficult to actually DO. Given enough time and money, OF COURSE can be done. But you don't account for the reality of the time and money as it applies to the real world, at least in THIS case. You are usually much better at it.

You're an idea rat. You pump them out. Sometimes they are great. Sometimes they suck Royal Canadian Moose Cock. This is RCMC quality.

Sorry
New ICLRPD: This is RCMC quality.
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Drew
New I might actually agree with you
except for that I've seen these systems built and operational in addition to being on the team to do it again.

Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New The things you are forgetting...
Data Assurance for one.

Not only data validation, but data assurance.

Very key. If you can't get some(one/company) to make sure the Validated Data to inter-operate 'tween the systems that needs it... and assuring the Data is valid both (or fifty) ways, you have nothing other than an ISLAND of non-minable/usable data.

If the court has to verify the data as its presented, it needs to have something to do that in real time... there is no way an ISLAND is going to do that...

PLUS, you have to have the data nearly available in at least in the Federal/State/County/City/Township level and you will have to *Start* at the Township Level. There are already some software packages out there that do this for the TAX Assessor's Office, but they have to have the data keyed in. The company that produces the most popular software in Michigan is: http://www.bsasoftware.com/ and they don't really have anything worth mentioning for scanning.

Trust me when I say, this software is very well made to the exceptions that make up 95% of the problems. There is no such thing as standard definitions for property descriptions. I have seen some property description that are 10 pages long single spaced and others being 1/2 line long, as I've previously dealt with it in the mass mail / fulfillment business. It sucks. There is no such thing as a simple problem when dealing with property titles.

Automated data input is something of a misnomer. You'll probably get maybe 75% of the incoming data mostly correct. Data Validation, when it comes to the *LEGAL* property descriptions has to be 100% bulletproof, not 98%, not 99%, not 99.999% but 100%. Relying on submitted data in a form doesn't cut it, you have to have a survey to be submitted separately to confirm the description. Which means handling it at least twice anyway even with automation... and then you have to validate the data additionally.

I'm not sure things will be as easy as you seem to think.
     The magic of the marketplace at work. - (Another Scott) - (116)
         Nice job - (drook) - (87)
             Hmmm - (beepster) - (86)
                 Some hints. - (Another Scott) - (85)
                     So you are blaming the banks.. - (beepster) - (9)
                         Where was "Tax Assessor" in that story? - (drook) - (8)
                             as a former real property title recorder - (boxley) - (1)
                                 I knew that - (drook)
                             What do you think they appraise them for, anyway? - (beepster) - (5)
                                 "I don't know what's involved, so it must be easy." - (drook) - (4)
                                     sigh - (beepster) - (3)
                                         Scott pointed out half the problem, same as me - (drook) - (2)
                                             You are missing it here. - (beepster) - (1)
                                                 nit - (boxley)
                     Two (and-a-half) issues - (drook) - (74)
                         Re: Two (and-a-half) issues - (beepster) - (73)
                             Um, it's my understanding... - (Another Scott) - (70)
                                 What I think... - (beepster) - (69)
                                     <sigh> - (Another Scott) - (50)
                                         And why is their no fault - (beepster) - (49)
                                             It's not their job - (drook) - (48)
                                                 Not even remotely - (beepster) - (47)
                                                     I see the solution! - (Another Scott)
                                                     Now you trust the government to be perfect? - (drook) - (45)
                                                         :-) Thank you. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                         sigh - (beepster) - (43)
                                                             Try to keep up, I'll type slow - (drook) - (42)
                                                                 who needs to type slow, I wot... - (beepster) - (41)
                                                                     The court is not a party in a civil case. - (Another Scott) - (14)
                                                                         No I'm not. - (beepster) - (13)
                                                                             You're waving your hands around about a perfect world. - (Another Scott) - (12)
                                                                                 Re: You're waving your hands around about a perfect world. - (beepster) - (11)
                                                                                     You're still not getting it. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                                                                         Simple question. You still didn't answer. - (beepster) - (9)
                                                                                             We already have a system, if we would use it - (drook) - (4)
                                                                                                 Re: We already have a system, if we would use it - (beepster) - (3)
                                                                                                     Your idea, right - (drook) - (2)
                                                                                                         Getting there. - (beepster) - (1)
                                                                                                             no, charge 3k for recording fees and they would have it - (boxley)
                                                                                             Your question doesn't matter. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                                 No it isn't. - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                                                     This is hilarious. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                                         Hmmm ... - (drook)
                                                                     Okay - (drook) - (24)
                                                                         oh for chrissakes. - (beepster) - (23)
                                                                             Let's start from the beginning - (drook) - (22)
                                                                                 Lets. - (beepster) - (21)
                                                                                     Got a question - (drook) - (20)
                                                                                         Its about effecting change. - (beepster) - (19)
                                                                                             You like that Act? - (drook) - (18)
                                                                                                 You are the one telling me - (beepster) - (17)
                                                                                                     Standard format != data validation -NT - (drook) - (16)
                                                                                                         so what? - (beepster) - (15)
                                                                                                             Punt - (drook) - (14)
                                                                                                                 Except - (beepster) - (13)
                                                                                                                     data entry != data validation -NT - (drook)
                                                                                                                     hi 90's accuracy for legally binding docs? watchu smoking? -NT - (boxley) - (11)
                                                                                                                         He's corporate - (crazy) - (10)
                                                                                                                             Excuse me - (beepster) - (9)
                                                                                                                                 I don't think you know what that word means - (crazy) - (8)
                                                                                                                                     for a guy - (beepster) - (7)
                                                                                                                                         So now ... - (drook) - (6)
                                                                                                                                             Ah, so.. - (beepster) - (5)
                                                                                                                                                 Ah, let's compare our big swinging - (crazy)
                                                                                                                                                 You're still fixing the wrong problem - (drook) - (3)
                                                                                                                                                     Re: You're still fixing the wrong problem - (beepster) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                         They already do - (drook) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                             Look at SCO v IBM. SCO v Novell. SCO v AutoZone... - (folkert)
                                                                     Re: who needs to type slow, I wot... - (malraux)
                                     They did ... sort of - (drook) - (17)
                                         Who is the controlling authority - (beepster) - (16)
                                             WTF beep - (boxley) - (15)
                                                 Ahh, a magic moment - (crazy)
                                                 1983? - (beepster) - (13)
                                                     FIFY - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                         Re: FIFY - (beepster) - (2)
                                                             People keeping records aren't investigators. HTH. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                 and if they keep the correctly - (beepster)
                                                     so you got the money in west palm? - (boxley) - (8)
                                                         No, a true libertarian would never leave the house - (crazy)
                                                         6k times 5...30k, sound outlandish? - (beepster) - (6)
                                                             Where did I say I want paper? - (drook) - (5)
                                                                 Ok. - (beepster)
                                                                 Two things: - (malraux) - (1)
                                                                     Back to this. - (beepster)
                                                                 Re: Where did I say I want paper? - (beepster) - (1)
                                                                     Forms - (beepster)
                             Don't you know how courts work? - (drook) - (1)
                                 Nice red herring - (beepster)
         Variation on a theme. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             another thing to remember, title insurance is just that - (boxley)
         Foreclosure system rife with fraud and negligence - (jay) - (10)
             This covers all the problems... - (folkert)
             Hmm - (beepster) - (8)
                 Did you read the "whining of the rich" thread? - (drook) - (7)
                     D'uh - (beepster) - (6)
                         BeeP, meet Beep ... maybe you guys should talk - (drook) - (5)
                             Cost to government /= process cost to bank - (beepster) - (4)
                                 A unique viewpoint for you - (crazy) - (3)
                                     Even it it costs 5x private - (beepster) - (2)
                                         Remember that post - (crazy) - (1)
                                             Whatever. -NT - (beepster)
         Ok. I give up. - (beepster) - (6)
             <snoopy dance> - (Another Scott) - (5)
                 Re: <snoopy dance> - (beepster) - (4)
                     Sure he did - (crazy) - (3)
                         ICLRPD: This is RCMC quality. -NT - (drook)
                         I might actually agree with you - (beepster) - (1)
                             The things you are forgetting... - (folkert)
         Oh, one more thing... - (Another Scott) - (7)
             funny - (beepster) - (6)
                 No you're not - (drook) - (5)
                     This ---^ -NT - (Another Scott)
                     ok. - (beepster) - (3)
                         You've heard of "separation of powers" I assume? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             not talking about the radio problem - (beepster) - (1)
                                 The system is pretty good. - (Another Scott)

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