Ah - well that is the crux of the offshoring problem

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Post #252,672 by tuberculosis 4/19/06 10:08:14 PM Reply	Ah - well that is the crux of the offshoring problem but the rest was meant to point out why people choose to outsource/inhouse what they do. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #252,701 by bepatient 4/20/06 12:45:24 AM Reply	Understood... but it was something like the 5th post that had an offshoring reference...so I was getting punchy :-) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

Outsourcing saves less than claimed - (lincoln) - (97) - April 13, 2006, 02:53:29 PM EDT

This is going to end up on a lot of corporate desks. - (imqwerky) - (92) - April 13, 2006, 08:00:27 PM EDT

Won't change anything - (ben_tilly) - (91) - April 13, 2006, 08:14:51 PM EDT

s/(mis)/(mc)/g -NT - (boxley) - April 13, 2006, 08:23:45 PM EDT

all true - (cforde) - (89) - April 14, 2006, 01:36:34 AM EDT

Assume that the truth is somewhere in between - (bepatient) - (88) - April 14, 2006, 09:48:51 AM EDT

That could still be mismanagement - (ben_tilly) - (87) - April 14, 2006, 12:32:14 PM EDT

Likely that internally would be mismanaged as well, then. - (bepatient) - (86) - April 14, 2006, 01:09:41 PM EDT

Outsourcing adds an extra layer of complexity. - (imric) - (8) - April 14, 2006, 01:15:39 PM EDT

Possibly. But not if done correctly - (bepatient) - (7) - April 14, 2006, 03:32:34 PM EDT

The right people can succeed no matter what - (ben_tilly) - April 14, 2006, 05:21:58 PM EDT

No matter what. - (imric) - (5) - April 14, 2006, 05:44:31 PM EDT

And I made the clarification earlier - (bepatient) - (4) - April 14, 2006, 06:06:47 PM EDT

We also have onsite staff. - (imric) - (3) - April 14, 2006, 08:29:36 PM EDT

The overall point - (bepatient) - (2) - April 14, 2006, 08:58:44 PM EDT

But ONLy if they are unwilling to reorganize to a more - (imric) - (1) - April 14, 2006, 09:03:34 PM EDT

There are ALOT of those, you >do< know this. -NT - (bepatient) - April 14, 2006, 09:05:39 PM EDT

Mostly agreed - (ben_tilly) - (76) - April 14, 2006, 08:46:00 PM EDT

Aye. -NT - (imric) - April 14, 2006, 05:46:04 PM EDT

Fully agree on core competence - (bepatient) - April 14, 2006, 06:08:57 PM EDT

so what are we trying to optimize? - (cforde) - (73) - April 14, 2006, 06:35:59 PM EDT

Bob Lewis at InfoWorld actually has a good one for this - (drewk) - (72) - April 14, 2006, 10:11:58 PM EDT

<advocate mode="devil">OTOH</advocate> - (imric) - (71) - April 14, 2006, 10:53:25 PM EDT

I think it's perspective and definitions - (drewk) - (18) - April 15, 2006, 08:59:45 PM EDT

And sales, warehousing, inventory - (imric) - (17) - April 15, 2006, 09:27:51 PM EDT

Do you have plumbers on staff? - (drewk) - (3) - April 15, 2006, 09:43:59 PM EDT

And when IT is as dependable as plumbing - (imric) - (2) - April 15, 2006, 10:31:03 PM EDT

It's ironic that you'd call plumbing "dependable" - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 16, 2006, 03:25:25 PM EDT

You do have a point there - (imric) - April 16, 2006, 03:51:57 PM EDT

Example - (bepatient) - (12) - April 16, 2006, 03:12:53 PM EDT

You know me better than to - (imric) - (11) - April 16, 2006, 03:53:13 PM EDT

Who said anything about not having onsite staff? - (bepatient) - (10) - April 16, 2006, 09:21:36 PM EDT

Failure financially. - (imric) - (9) - April 16, 2006, 10:14:57 PM EDT

No more likely - (bepatient) - (8) - April 17, 2006, 12:55:08 AM EDT

Nonsense. - (imric) - (7) - April 17, 2006, 07:09:09 AM EDT

IT is a commodity. - (pwhysall) - (3) - April 17, 2006, 07:56:31 AM EDT

Wait for this pendulum to swing back - (imric) - (1) - April 17, 2006, 09:02:11 AM EDT

All what eggs now? - (pwhysall) - April 17, 2006, 09:37:49 AM EDT

What you say is only somewhat true - (ben_tilly) - April 18, 2006, 01:08:46 AM EDT

All of your argument - (bepatient) - (2) - April 17, 2006, 08:16:39 AM EDT

Mmmmhmmm - (imric) - (1) - April 17, 2006, 08:58:05 AM EDT

Just simply wrong on many levels - (bepatient) - April 17, 2006, 12:20:11 PM EDT

Jumping in late - (danreck) - (51) - April 18, 2006, 04:28:30 PM EDT

And in line with this - (bepatient) - (48) - April 18, 2006, 05:41:42 PM EDT

Nor are they likely - (imric) - (38) - April 18, 2006, 05:57:35 PM EDT

Keep reaching - (bepatient) - (37) - April 18, 2006, 06:10:28 PM EDT

Step 1 - steal all the underwear. Step 3. Profit. - (imric) - April 18, 2006, 06:32:22 PM EDT

Come on Bill - (danreck) - (35) - April 18, 2006, 11:56:24 PM EDT

Sigh - (bepatient) - (34) - April 19, 2006, 09:37:20 AM EDT

Without IT, the business will fail - (imric) - (33) - April 19, 2006, 09:43:15 AM EDT

You continue to make a blanket statement that is not true - (bepatient) - (32) - April 19, 2006, 09:52:36 AM EDT

Mmmhmmm - (imric) - (31) - April 19, 2006, 10:16:30 AM EDT

Re: Mmmhmmm - (pwhysall) - (16) - April 19, 2006, 10:50:57 AM EDT

Unless more management = more efficient - (imric) - (12) - April 19, 2006, 11:18:44 AM EDT

branched outsourcing costs more (new thread) - (boxley) - April 19, 2006, 11:26:06 AM EDT

That clears that up, then. - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 02:42:04 PM EDT

*shrug* - (imric) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 03:15:50 PM EDT

you havnt even attempted to address my branched reply -NT - (boxley) - April 19, 2006, 03:28:08 PM EDT

Skip, YOU haven't been reading - (ben_tilly) - (7) - April 19, 2006, 05:36:54 PM EDT

On the contrary! - (imric) - (5) - April 19, 2006, 06:02:13 PM EDT

look at SAP, Oracle Financials, PeopleSoft - (boxley) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 06:28:38 PM EDT

There's stuff like Sarbanes-Oxley too... -NT - (Another Scott) - April 19, 2006, 06:53:45 PM EDT

A new employee is coming Monday... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 11:50:50 PM EDT

1 hour. Our procedures have it set up the day before. - (imric) - (1) - April 20, 2006, 07:33:56 AM EDT

If you don't have good procedures and people... - (ben_tilly) - April 20, 2006, 10:39:09 AM EDT

.... -NT - (imric) - April 19, 2006, 06:02:35 PM EDT

They're using different definitions of efficiency. - (Another Scott) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 11:23:38 AM EDT

Stop trying to spoil my fun :-) -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 12:32:20 PM EDT

And mine! :-D -NT - (imric) - April 19, 2006, 01:09:46 PM EDT

Before this right shifts anymore - (danreck) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 10:58:37 AM EDT

Too true - (bepatient) - April 19, 2006, 11:10:29 AM EDT

No they aren't. They are oversimplifications - (bepatient) - (11) - April 19, 2006, 11:07:58 AM EDT

Straw men marching? - (imric) - (10) - April 19, 2006, 11:29:51 AM EDT

You are off your rocker - (bepatient) - (9) - April 19, 2006, 12:30:16 PM EDT

And what delivers that service? Robots? - (imric) - (8) - April 19, 2006, 01:03:08 PM EDT

Maybe - (bepatient) - (7) - April 19, 2006, 03:09:46 PM EDT

As long as you get it in a timely fashion, - (imric) - (6) - April 19, 2006, 03:25:31 PM EDT

Ah, we've taken the first step, grasshopper. - (bepatient) - (5) - April 19, 2006, 03:44:17 PM EDT

Cost <> price. - (imric) - (4) - April 19, 2006, 04:52:00 PM EDT

I have a hard time agreeing with any of this - (bepatient) - (3) - April 19, 2006, 06:03:32 PM EDT

So dollars are all. The spreadsheet is king. - (imric) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 10:43:42 PM EDT

Not everything. - (bepatient) - (1) - April 20, 2006, 12:44:05 AM EDT

roundandroundandroundandround -NT - (imric) - April 20, 2006, 07:09:38 AM EDT

Plants - (tuberculosis) - (8) - April 18, 2006, 06:22:57 PM EDT

No it's not - (drewk) - (2) - April 18, 2006, 07:43:00 PM EDT

If we are talking about offshoring, you are right. -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 09:06:01 AM EDT

True -NT - (drewk) - April 19, 2006, 07:51:40 PM EDT

And one more time. - (bepatient) - (4) - April 19, 2006, 08:59:53 AM EDT

Where did I say offshore? - (tuberculosis) - (3) - April 19, 2006, 09:10:16 PM EDT

Re: Where did I say offshore? - (bepatient) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 09:34:32 PM EDT

Ah - well that is the crux of the offshoring problem - (tuberculosis) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 10:08:14 PM EDT

Understood... - (bepatient) - April 20, 2006, 12:45:24 AM EDT

Me too - (broomberg) - (1) - April 18, 2006, 10:37:18 PM EDT

Or maybe youhave the data - (bepatient) - April 19, 2006, 09:12:03 AM EDT

If it doesn't work, do more of it. - (Another Scott) - (3) - April 13, 2006, 08:45:09 PM EDT

The sign isn't appropriate - (danreck) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 12:07:30 AM EDT

Hola Danno! - (Ashton) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 06:09:12 AM EDT

Re: Hola Danno! - (danreck) - April 19, 2006, 09:36:58 AM EDT

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