If you're used to it (and careful), it's manageable.

Post #23,505 by CRConrad 1/8/02 12:42:29 PM Reply	If you're used to it (and careful), it's manageable. People here can do it, because that's what they've always done. (And of course it helps that we have pretty competent plowing-and-sanding crews, too.) But of course in the absolute majority of situations, front- (or even better, four-) -wheel-drive is better, in winter conditions. Sorry, the Ox is blowing smoke: Sure, you can get sharper turns on shiny ice with the (rear-wheel) hand brake in stead of the ABS system -- but just how desirable is the ability to do a pirouette on ice, and exactly how often do situations where it is, occur? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #23,507 by boxley 1/8/02 12:47:16 PM Reply	Not the handbrake, remove the ABS fuse you are on glare ice needing to make a left at an intersection, you turn the wheel, nothing happens you are still travelling forward. You brake hard turn wheel all the way release brake and vehicle pivots in the direction of travel. With abs you cannot get a "lock" condition so it doesnt work as well. In Sweden and other northern climbs, plowing and sanding is done regularly. In Alaska it is considered an option behind everything else you could think of. My tenants have told me that the street has not seen a plow or a grader yet this winter despite lots of snow rain and freezes. My house in in the middle (sort of ) the city in a regular neighborhood. They said last year the road was only plowed once. thanx, bill My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #23,509 by CRConrad 1/8/02 1:05:45 PM Reply	"[Y]ou turn the wheel, nothing happens"; y'know what that... ...means? It means you're going to fast for the conditions, that's what. BRRRPPHT, sorry, this participant is disqualified for violating Rule One! And if, for once, by mistake, you happen to get into a "you turn the wheel, nothing happens" situation, then you don't need all that lock-all-the-wheels tomfoolery that would require disabling the ABS anyway -- just declutch, and you're free-rolling jut the same whether your car is RWD or FWD... Ooooh, I see: ...As long as it's manual-clutched! That's the problem, I think: You guys have to resort to fiddling with the safety equipment, because you insist on buying cars without real gear boxes and clutches. I'll revise my recommendation: Learn to shift and dump the stupid auto, in stead. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #23,514 by admin 1/8/02 1:18:01 PM Reply	Agreement there If you're sliding, you're going too quickly. As I said elsewhere, I need to not get stuck, not have better handling on ice. WRT to a manual transmission, that's what I drive now. Unfortunately, my wife is incapable of learning a stick shift (it's a basic miswiring in her brain, not will to learn), so my next car has to be automatic so she can use it if necessary. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #23,517 by boxley 1/8/02 1:28:39 PM Reply	get into a parking lot try it and report back If you are on glare ice 5mph is often 2 fast. Turn wheel, nothing happens is momentum in the direction of travel due to slickness, tapping the brake is easier than dragging the shifter down a notch, yes I prefer manually shifted cars but my wife certainly does not and agree manuals are decidedly safer to drive. thats why the common name for an aurtomatic is a slushbox. thanx, bill My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #23,542 by CRConrad 1/8/02 5:06:40 PM Reply	Ah, I see: Good only down to "Slush" on the thermometer! :-)

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