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Post #212,508

by drewk

6/24/05 11:38:05 PM

I just re-read the original post

I was trying to think how to put this and finally figured it out. When a man beats his wife, and she stays with him because she "loves" him, is that "real love"? Most people would say it's obsession. Or that the man is fulfilling a deep, unhealthy need for the woman.

Is it our place to question whether that is "real love"? Well ... yeah, I think it is. We feel pity for them, but it's not the pity you feel for someone hit by a car. It's not an accident. It's predictable. What's pathetic is that there is something so wrong with them that they live with the risk.

That's what I think of people who get large dogs -- particularly breeds known to have agressive tendencies -- and don't train them. Either they're wilfully blind to reality or they want a large, agressive dog. So which do they deserve: pity, or anger?

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Post #212,510

by imric

6/24/05 11:52:40 PM

And when a mother loves a child?

And the child goes bad, through bad parenting, poor environment? Genes? If the child was adopted after exposure to drugs in the womb? (after all, the parent/guardian would 'know better ' iin that case, right?) When does the love stop being real?

There may come a time when a healthy person may have to remove the bad loved one from their life, sure.

Does that make the love less genuine? Or does it make the situation more tragic, more painful?

I tend to believe the second.

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Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #212,586

by CRConrad

6/25/05 6:41:59 PM

Yes, indeed - and when a mother loves a child...

...quite apparently LESS than she does the vicious killer-beast that KILLS said child, we are NOT to conclude that there's something deeply fucking wrong with said mother's "love" for her vicious fucking killer-beast?!?

Keep repeating that one a few zillion times more, and let's see if anybody sane buys it.

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Post #212,590

by imric

6/25/05 7:00:03 PM

*shrug*

Believe what you want. You will anyway.

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Imric's Tips for Living

Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Do I see another metaphor for Our Times? - (Ashton) - (85) - June 23, 2005, 05:32:39 PM EDT

Oh yeah. No one could ever love a pit-bull, right? - (imric) - (77) - June 23, 2005, 09:32:30 PM EDT

Loving, perhaps, but . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (28) - June 23, 2005, 09:41:48 PM EDT

anyone care to guess which breed most likely to bite? - (boxley) - (27) - June 23, 2005, 10:09:33 PM EDT

Personally, I consider any largish dog . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (25) - June 23, 2005, 10:54:47 PM EDT

if one wants to own a dog for "protection" - (boxley) - (22) - June 23, 2005, 11:07:47 PM EDT

WTH is a "noodle dog"? -NT - (admin) - (5) - June 23, 2005, 11:14:49 PM EDT

what little girls with hearing impediments call poodles :-) -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 23, 2005, 11:28:38 PM EDT

What's wrong with a poodle? - (admin) - (3) - June 24, 2005, 12:19:55 AM EDT

standards are fine, its the little fockers I dont like - (boxley) - (2) - June 24, 2005, 08:36:48 AM EDT

Agreed. -NT - (admin) - June 24, 2005, 09:21:25 AM EDT

While I'm generally kind to animals, and even insects . . - (Andrew Grygus) - June 24, 2005, 12:43:44 PM EDT

My next door neighbors have a pit bull - (bionerd) - (15) - June 24, 2005, 09:11:11 AM EDT

People. - (imric) - June 24, 2005, 09:39:56 AM EDT

Precautionary visit from Animal Control/SPCA in order? :-( - (Another Scott) - June 24, 2005, 09:44:09 AM EDT

Had a neighbor like that - (drewk) - June 24, 2005, 11:16:55 AM EDT

I have a very large dog - (bepatient) - (1) - June 24, 2005, 11:20:39 AM EDT

As you've discovered... - (ben_tilly) - June 28, 2005, 09:04:00 PM EDT

Tossing the dog a box of chocolate bars . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - June 24, 2005, 12:50:18 PM EDT

Chocolate's not good for dogs, either. - (static) - (2) - June 27, 2005, 12:34:45 AM EDT

That's what I implied . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 27, 2005, 01:10:06 AM EDT

D'oh. I misread. -NT - (static) - June 28, 2005, 01:24:37 AM EDT

"Fatal"? - (pwhysall) - (5) - June 27, 2005, 01:59:19 AM EDT

Yes - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - June 27, 2005, 03:01:20 AM EDT

Well... - (scoenye) - (2) - June 27, 2005, 12:55:32 PM EDT

Nevermind - (tuberculosis) - June 27, 2005, 01:00:26 PM EDT

Exactly the result... - (bepatient) - June 27, 2005, 01:18:08 PM EDT

It's the theobromine in chocolate - (bionerd) - June 27, 2005, 02:11:33 PM EDT

It's true. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 23, 2005, 11:32:32 PM EDT

Acording to an article in the Los Angeles Times . . - (Andrew Grygus) - June 24, 2005, 12:51:34 AM EDT

Pitbulls and Rotweilers have caused more deaths. - (Another Scott) - June 23, 2005, 11:03:53 PM EDT

Straw Dog___ Pshaw. - (Ashton) - (8) - June 23, 2005, 10:58:04 PM EDT

Nit. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 23, 2005, 11:15:26 PM EDT

- Picked. Indeed; similarly sloppy re lumping Rotweilers - (Ashton) - June 23, 2005, 11:38:09 PM EDT

Nonsense again. - (imric) - (5) - June 24, 2005, 07:02:42 AM EDT

JeezSkip, go READ some stuff on this breed's RECORD, willya? - (Ashton) - (4) - June 24, 2005, 04:31:13 PM EDT

So which part do you disagree with? - (imric) - June 24, 2005, 04:27:47 PM EDT

No, Ash. - (imric) - (2) - June 24, 2005, 05:11:35 PM EDT

I'll go ~ with 'the meanest dog being superior' - (Ashton) - (1) - June 24, 2005, 05:50:50 PM EDT

*shrug* Whatever. -NT - (imric) - June 24, 2005, 06:22:50 PM EDT

Any dog can end up vicious depending on its owners - (Silverlock) - (38) - June 24, 2005, 10:59:06 PM EDT

So what? Read my posts - (imric) - (37) - June 24, 2005, 11:14:34 PM EDT

Point = missed - (Silverlock) - (32) - June 24, 2005, 11:30:03 PM EDT

ONCE AGAIN, read my posts. - (imric) - (31) - June 24, 2005, 11:35:33 PM EDT

That's what I'm responding to - (Silverlock) - (30) - June 24, 2005, 11:54:53 PM EDT

And THAT'S where 'tragedy borne of ignorance' comes in. - (imric) - (27) - June 25, 2005, 12:04:32 AM EDT

I think Ashton was talking about 2 kinds of love. - (Another Scott) - June 25, 2005, 12:22:50 AM EDT

I think I may begin to see a glimmer of your point - (Silverlock) - (25) - June 25, 2005, 01:11:20 AM EDT

Keep trying...you are VERY cold (meaning far from the point) -NT - (bepatient) - (3) - June 25, 2005, 01:12:40 AM EDT

Correct me then. Show me the error of my understanding -NT - (Silverlock) - (2) - June 25, 2005, 01:14:50 AM EDT

Re-read Imrics first response to Ashton - (bepatient) - (1) - June 25, 2005, 01:19:14 AM EDT

I have, many times. - (Silverlock) - June 25, 2005, 01:27:47 AM EDT

define attack bred animal - (boxley) - (9) - June 25, 2005, 01:24:46 AM EDT

Umm, Animals bred to fight? -NT - (Silverlock) - (8) - June 25, 2005, 01:28:34 AM EDT

care to name a breed that was not bred to fight? -NT - (boxley) - (7) - June 25, 2005, 01:31:16 AM EDT

Parsing like a republican you are. - (Silverlock) - (3) - June 25, 2005, 01:43:02 AM EDT

I see, no answer so start wild accusations :-) -NT - (boxley) - (2) - June 25, 2005, 02:16:56 AM EDT

Here's an answer - (Silverlock) - (1) - June 25, 2005, 08:19:23 AM EDT

viking war dog -NT - (boxley) - June 25, 2005, 08:24:12 AM EDT

Toy Poodle. :-P - (ben_tilly) - (2) - June 28, 2005, 09:06:15 PM EDT

both examples wrong, toy breeds of fighting dogs - (boxley) - (1) - June 28, 2005, 09:14:39 PM EDT

You do not breed toys to fight - (ben_tilly) - June 28, 2005, 10:31:04 PM EDT

*sigh* - (imric) - (10) - June 25, 2005, 02:30:40 AM EDT

So be it. - (Silverlock) - (1) - June 25, 2005, 08:18:03 AM EDT

*chuckle* - (imric) - June 25, 2005, 08:44:03 AM EDT

Oh, bullpucky. - (CRConrad) - (7) - June 25, 2005, 06:38:10 PM EDT

CRC - (imric) - (4) - June 25, 2005, 06:58:56 PM EDT

Those are indeed my initials. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 26, 2005, 02:34:05 PM EDT

Love <> Excuse - (imric) - (2) - June 26, 2005, 05:15:17 PM EDT

Ah. OK, sorry. - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 26, 2005, 06:04:45 PM EDT

*smile* - (imric) - June 26, 2005, 06:39:53 PM EDT

of dogs and men (new thread) - (rcareaga) - June 25, 2005, 07:54:34 PM EDT

Nit. - (mmoffitt) - June 25, 2005, 09:34:29 PM EDT

Interesting. - (bepatient) - (1) - June 25, 2005, 01:16:04 AM EDT

Victim of the RNG in the sky. - (Silverlock) - June 25, 2005, 01:25:50 AM EDT

I just re-read the original post - (drewk) - (3) - June 24, 2005, 11:38:05 PM EDT

And when a mother loves a child? - (imric) - (2) - June 24, 2005, 11:52:40 PM EDT

Yes, indeed - and when a mother loves a child... - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 25, 2005, 06:41:59 PM EDT

*shrug* - (imric) - June 25, 2005, 07:00:03 PM EDT

essential point missed? - (rcareaga) - (6) - June 24, 2005, 03:04:24 PM EDT

Thank. you. Sir. - (Ashton) - (5) - June 24, 2005, 04:19:42 PM EDT

WTF does the wizard of Oz haft to do with anything?... -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 24, 2005, 04:20:48 PM EDT

Box, a phrase was Minted just for You__ years ago - (Ashton) - June 24, 2005, 04:37:02 PM EDT

Same issue: Dorothy failed to control Toto: Bad Owner - (tuberculosis) - (2) - June 24, 2005, 08:43:38 PM EDT

:-) -NT - (boxley) - June 24, 2005, 08:49:20 PM EDT

You utter bastard - (Silverlock) - June 24, 2005, 10:35:04 PM EDT

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