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New It becomes more apparent that, the State Dept. presumes its
employees are capable of common sense in matters of social intercourse - the military presumes they are not.

Men in shorts could be considered offensive in this milieu! and probably: people with fair hair and blue eyes. (Those should be covered too, lest they tempt a bagged, sacked female into Western excess. And ____)

If the Saudis (officially!) can live with State's policies, as obviously they do: McSally's complaint remains justified and also her means of expressing it - through channels, so as to have the effect of requiring the military (which remains under civilian control, last I heard) to modify its obtuse position; that of requiring a US Colonel to dress in a sack.

You like the Soapbox argument because it comes from the same brand of er 'Conservative' view of all things, as yours. If it's present policy? Why on earth should we ever Change it? Especially towards anything less.. Authoritative too!

I demur, and look forward to seeing how the courts handle this question. It has little to do with the sort of Murican jingoism as you and Soapbox are so instantly ready to equate it to. This until - you start attacking the State Department as, too 'Liberal' for your taste (?)

No actually: even after you start attacking the State Department as too Liberal for your taste. My taste is different.


Ashton
beware of Conservatives whose breath smells of sucking on sour lemons.
New No...actually...
...I like the more simple approach.

She's a soldier. Her superiors have issued an order. End of story.

Since that seems a tad to simple...we can add that she's a soldier stationed within spitting distance of Riyadh, one of the most conservative locations in Saudi territory. And even the State Department suggests the wearing of an abaya in this area.

So...while the State Department may be a tad more lax in some of the more progressive areas (they >still< don't suggest slacks or a military uniform)...their policy mirrors that of the military in the location whare the military are stationed.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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     Does anyone else think... - (bepatient) - (57)
         (giggles) Nice change. But back to topic, - (wharris2) - (1)
             When in Rome, do as the Romans do. - (nking)
         Takes just one test case.. - (Ashton) - (39)
             The problem is... - (jb4)
             And just how... - (bepatient) - (37)
                 Dunno if I can put it in teerms simple enough for Econ. - (Ashton) - (36)
                     Weird - (bepatient)
                     Sure...fine...whatever. - (bepatient) - (34)
                         Of course she is. - (Ashton) - (27)
                             Presumption - (imric) - (26)
                                 comfort? utter BS. - (Ashton) - (25)
                                     Get this. - (imric) - (24)
                                         These are quite 'special' circumstances. - (Ashton) - (23)
                                             Insolent? - (imric) - (20)
                                                 Ah how EZ it would all be if.. logic alone were enough! - (Ashton) - (14)
                                                     Logic alone? - (imric) - (13)
                                                         Piffle - (Silverlock) - (12)
                                                             *chortle* -NT - (imric)
                                                             Not quite. - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                                 anti-piffle - (Silverlock) - (9)
                                                                     Reinstate it - BeeP (of all people) corroborated it! - (CRConrad) - (8)
                                                                         Yup. - (imric)
                                                                         not really... - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                             Seems it only notes that they DO; doesn't say HAVE TO. - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                                                                 So you are all in favor... - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                     Nice two step - (Silverlock) - (2)
                                                                                         Upthread - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                             Yeah. And? - (Silverlock)
                                                                                     You're making Marlowe's mistake: Conflating... - (CRConrad)
                                                 Hey Maggie! - (Ashton) - (4)
                                                     Hey Ash! - (slugbug) - (3)
                                                         Thanks. - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                             not 100% - (slugbug) - (1)
                                                                 Well, then, start a new topic. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                             Even easier solution. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                 "The play's the thing wherein we'll catch the conscience of - (Ashton)
                         Third option: - (mhuber) - (3)
                             That would be the Decent, the Honorable, the American thing - (Ashton) - (2)
                                 And I suspect - (mhuber) - (1)
                                     Thanks, Mike.__ Al punte, as usual. - (Ashton)
                         Two thoughts comes to mind.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                             Third: What (?) do we 'Stand For' _...if anything at all (?) -NT - (Ashton)
         [OT]Ad on the page... - (inthane-chan)
         Fine point - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             In that case - (nking) - (1)
                 Yes You Can, Norm - (Ashton)
         having met some AF wimmen it may give a renewal of the term - (boxley) - (6)
             Maybe glamour + toughness aren't a common mix; and for sure, - (Ashton) - (5)
                 Re: Maybe glamour + toughness aren't a common mix; and for s - (wharris2) - (4)
                     No need for 'Duck' if that were his meaning (?) - (Ashton) - (3)
                         As the Huron said to his soup, e tu Brule? - (boxley) - (2)
                             Yeah well, I figure in any *real* misogynist situation, - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 define "underdog" :) -NT - (boxley)
         Take from the Soapbox - (bepatient) - (3)
             More info - (bepatient)
             It becomes more apparent that, the State Dept. presumes its - (Ashton) - (1)
                 No...actually... - (bepatient)

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