since it wasn't an insult

Post #182,860 by rcareaga 11/4/04 4:43:27 PM Reply	since it wasn't an insult —merely an observation—I will charitably assume that your otherwise quite serviceable command of English might be a little spotty on the finer points of idiom, so that you don't readily grok the distinction between "is a very...creepy...guy" and "is a creep." I stand by the former, which has merely to do with my response to the mental picture I've formed over time of Mister Owl (which makes my flesh crawl more than a little bit), and neither intended nor conveyed the latter, which would in any event have been pretty small beans as insults go. Your chivalry is duly noted. Now piss off. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #182,906 by daemon 11/4/04 6:26:25 PM Reply	well everyone finds someone and sometimes all you can do is say go figger, and hope you NEVER EVER get drunk enough to get in that position. I have a friend who in that strange hangover state early the next morning pointed at a gal talking on a payphone at a gas station, said "huh, I'd fuck her" well I walked up to her and he got his wish, and he has never forgiven me for it :-) regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #183,019 by Arkadiy 11/5/04 8:48:53 AM Reply	I do realize there is a difference between being creepy and being a creep. One is name-calling, the other is stating your observations (or feelings) about a particular person. To get into the spirit of the (finallY) correct forum where we're discussing this, calling somebody and "assfucker" is not the same as mentioning that his sexual orientation blongs with the minority of mankind. However, I still stand by my original statement. Your post was offensive. From where I stand, it seemed deliberately so(). And deliberate personal attacks belong in flame forum. () If it was not deliberate, it's a misstep that intelligent people are conditioned not to do. I really find it hard to belive that you'e not one of these people. -- This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet. -- [link\|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx\|The] Daily WTF
Post #183,022 by mmoffitt 11/5/04 8:56:54 AM Reply	Your post was attached to mine, nitwit. And, "filtering of information" for adult consumption is entirely Ayatollah-like. That is a statement of fact, not an insult. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #183,065 by Arkadiy 11/5/04 11:20:40 AM Reply	You are worse still. rcareaga at least has his dictionary defence. You have none - yours is straight insult, pure and simple. If you mistake your opinions for facts, that's your problem - get help. Such "facts" are best kept to Flames, though. As to "nitwit", rcareaga had comprehension to realize that I talk about both of you. And you had no comprehension to realize my post in Flames was in answer to rcareaga's response, not to your original "quick-slap-in-your-face" one-liner. -- This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet. -- [link\|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx\|The] Daily WTF
Post #183,070 by rcareaga 11/5/04 11:37:25 AM Reply	Case dismissed You have no standing here. You are taking offense on behalf not merely of another, but on behalf of someone, i.e., Mr. Owl who doesn't even post on these boards, and who, I repeat, strikes me as a very creepy character. And so what? I'm not passing judgment on the Owlet, who appears to have been raised by an overbearing father and who has predictably sought out a controlling mate, thereby meeting those early imprinted appetites for submission (I'm put in mind of a couple of former colleagues of mine of whose marriage it was said that this way only two people were made miserable rather than four). If it works for the enchanted raptors in their cloistered and cloying nest, more power to them. But creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy to some sensibilities, mine and mmoffitt's not, I think, alone among them. I repeat that my response in the original thread was not out of line, that whether it was or not isn't your call, and that when when I undertake to compose an offensive post I will ever be at pains to make the provocation unmistakable. Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #183,080 by Arkadiy 11/5/04 11:59:53 AM Reply	Just as long as you make the lack of provocation unmistakable as well. I guess you're right that it's not my business to protect Mr. Owl. Stamped: Whatever. -- This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet. -- [link\|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx\|The] Daily WTF
Post #183,082 by Nightowl 11/5/04 12:07:39 PM Reply	He doesn't really control me Although I understand why you might think so. He's actually the first person I haven't been completely dependent on to the point of not wanting him out of my sight, whereas prior to that I was a clingy and dependent person. No, it's more like we're so alike, we control the environment together. We both believe in putting everything in it's proper place, so he comes home and hangs up his own jacket, and puts his own stuff away. He does his own laundry and won't allow me to do most of it, because he prefers doing it himself. He loads the dishwasher, but I rinse the dishes. He likes things routine and so do I, and it meshes just fine. He is in charge of computers, finances, and other such monetary or complex things, I am in charge of keeping the house, helping deal with household things (like contractors, exterminators), etc., I keep everything organized and he follows my lead with that. (Often he doesn't even know where certain things are unless I tell him, because that's my area). So maybe it's creepy that we do everything together, share everything, read aloud together, watch video together, I relate to that being odd for someone to grasp. But the difference between him and prior people, is we don't have to do it together all the time. He can leave the house and go to the store or run an errand, or get a haircut, and I don't freak out, wondering if he'll come back, because I know he will. That's why it works out so well, we trust one another completely. But controlling? Nah. I choose NOT to mess with the credit card unless I need to, because I don't feel comfortable about money and math. I chose not to screw with the computer beyond the areas I know how to deal with, because I'm not comfortable that I won't mess something up. And I trust his judgement in areas he knows more about, just as he trusts mine in same. He even had me help select the house we moved into. I was in charge of the entire house hunt, and he was in charge of buying it. In a fucked-up,(obligatory flame), world like this has become, I realize we are a rare breed of couple, but I have no complaints. I've never been happier. :) Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #183,155 by folkert 11/5/04 7:11:37 PM Reply	If that don't beat all. Excellent description of a working Marriage. Better you are happy with him like that and you like you. Finding your "1's compliment" is a challenge in and of itself. I found mine, my wife Karen. She found hers, me. Now go have some fucking fun! Okay! -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #183,189 by Nightowl 11/6/04 12:04:48 AM 11/6/04 12:07:00 AM Reply	Re: If that don't beat all. Excellent description of a working Marriage. Better you are happy with him like that and you like you. Finding your "1's compliment" is a challenge in and of itself. I found mine, my wife Karen. She found hers, me. Now go have some fucking fun! Okay! I did, thanks. :) I avoided the computer most of the day after dealing with the extreme mess in my own group. And get this? John checked out the link I wanted to be on, and apparently they've repaired their site and changed things to be more acceptable... so I get to join it! Yay!!!! My guess is that when it was in disrepair (it had crashed severely), the guidelines and such were not as accessible and all we could get was whatever was availble which wasn't the privacy policy. :) So now I owe two good things to you guys, a new brand of Orange Juice that I really love, and being able to get on the site I've wanted on for months, because you made me go look for what was keeping me off it. ;) Just give me strength.... in the other matter (in FQ), cause he's pulling out all the stops.... Willpower... I need sh*tloads of willpower.... Help me guys, don't let me break.... Brenda Edit: added obligtory flame. ;) "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Nov. 6, 2004, 12:07:00 AM EST Expand All History
Post #183,198 by pwhysall 11/6/04 12:47:03 AM Reply	Might be time to be succinct. "Dear Norm. Fuck off. Love, Brenda." Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #183,201 by Nightowl 11/6/04 1:00:52 AM Reply	That's the problem I did just that. He's now in is "I don't want to live state" I'm doing my best to ignore it. I'm not calling anyone. I'm not going to give in. I'm calling his bluff.... not responding. But DAMN, it's not easy. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #183,205 by pwhysall 11/6/04 1:07:02 AM Reply	That's the best plan. I would also suggest configuring your email program to delete, unread, any mail from him. Ignoring people is easiest when automated. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #183,208 by daemon 11/6/04 1:11:42 AM Reply	nope, dump it unread into the evidence folder that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #183,212 by pwhysall 11/6/04 1:19:26 AM Reply	"Evidence"? You’re not seriously suggesting what I think you’re suggesting, are you? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #183,215 by daemon 11/6/04 9:20:20 AM Reply	no, in case of denial issues, that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #183,222 by Nightowl 11/6/04 10:34:01 AM 11/6/04 10:36:44 AM Reply	Don't worry Ever since this mess started with him (pulling this) in 2002, I have kept everything pertinent to it. He really is pushing it this morning.... now he has "people" (most likely aliases), posting that he died. Willpower... I must have willpower. Brenda Edit: changed people to aliases. "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Nov. 6, 2004, 10:36:44 AM EST Expand All History
Post #183,227 by daemon 11/6/04 10:41:33 AM Reply	will power, me too almost want to go to your site and poke sticks at the aliases. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #183,228 by Nightowl 11/6/04 11:06:53 AM Reply	It's actually on Affinity the Yahoo site for Affinity, not mine. I didn't let any suicidal posts through last night and I'm not approving any weird new members today either. Yep... willpower..... But if anyone wants the links, I'll be happy to provide the link. Affinity is public, and not restricted, and the supposed message is on his stumbleupon site or whatever it is. I haven't read it yet. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #183,230 by daemon 11/6/04 11:19:45 AM Reply	I'll live :-) no thanks that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #183,210 by Nightowl 11/6/04 1:17:04 AM 11/6/04 11:12:41 AM Reply	The only hard part Is I haven't thrown him out of my group, because it's not my policy to ban people. So I've instructed the members to ignore him, and I'm doing my best to do same. It's just hard. But if I throw him out, he'll just get his persecution "fix" and make new IDs and try again, so I'm trying to get him to just leave on his own. If that fails, I'll have to do something more drastic. But telling myself not to care is drastic enough at the moment, and hard enough to do. Still, I think I'll make a stronger case if he stays in and I ignore him, (he is on moderation, so the suicidal posts are not getting through), than if I throw him out, that I mean business. And I apologize for this topic overall, but I know if there's any people out there that can get me through this first time of "not responding to his cries for help" it's you guys.... After tonight, he if doesn't actually do it, I'll be fine on my own, I believe. You only have to call their bluff once... been there before, but the first time is the hardest. Brenda Edit: changed wording in last paragraph, it was not appropriate. Edit: After posting this I realized that blocking him is really not going to help much anyway, because he has far too many very real offline avenues of reaching me. Nope, I think the best thing is to give him no response. It's just going to take a lot of strength and willpower. Edit: fixed second to last paragraph. "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Nov. 6, 2004, 01:18:42 AM EST Edited by Nightowl Nov. 6, 2004, 02:22:14 AM EST Edited by Nightowl Nov. 6, 2004, 11:12:41 AM EST Expand All History
Post #183,213 by jake123 11/6/04 3:53:49 AM Reply	I believe the relevant term is "borderline" go do a google search. Very hard to deal with... you just need to get out. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #183,223 by Nightowl 11/6/04 10:35:23 AM 11/6/04 10:37:27 AM Reply	Believe me, I'm trying to get out I'm not going to call anyone to see if he really did it. If he really did it, someone will eventually call me. I'm not playing this game anymore. I still can't believe "he" has posted that he killed himself... I thought I'd seen it all. Brenda Edit: P.S. And I think I know what borderline means, but I'll read the definition anyway. :) Thanks. "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Nov. 6, 2004, 10:37:27 AM EST Expand All History
Post #183,234 by ben_tilly 11/6/04 12:06:43 PM Reply	I think that a walk was being suggested As in, "You need to decompress, get away from that computer, and experience the outside." Very relaxing when one is caught in rounds of flaming. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #183,236 by Nightowl 11/6/04 12:10:19 PM Reply	I fully realize that but I'm trying to finish writing the monthly letter first, it's getting later and later and I need to check things online to do it, but man, I intend to finish it and hide away from online a little today. ;) Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #183,239 by jake123 11/6/04 12:18:06 PM Reply	Not just a walk We had an interesting case up here recently, which resulted in the destruction of a doctor's career, of a woman with borderline personality disorder. Basically, borderline means "almost psychotic". I don't think owl has the means and/or training to deal with the Poster In Question. She just needs to get him out of her life. If I were her, I'd boot him from the forum. If he calls, hang up. John could do a lot to cool NK off too... sometimes a little talk while holding the proverbial big stick (ie- Hi Gorm, this is my little friend the baseball bat. If you keep bugging my wife, you're going to get to know him a lot better) can do a lot to moderate people's bad behaviour. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #183,242 by Nightowl 11/6/04 12:39:40 PM Reply	Re: Not just a walk We had an interesting case up here recently, which resulted in the destruction of a doctor's career, of a woman with borderline personality disorder. Basically, borderline means "almost psychotic". I don't think owl has the means and/or training to deal with the Poster In Question. She just needs to get him out of her life. If I were her, I'd boot him from the forum. If he calls, hang up. I am, I'm doing all I can to get him out of my life, but it's probably going to continue to get worse for a few days before it gets better. At least I'm prepared for that. He blamed me (among others) in his "letter" and he linked it back to my group, here and other places. I have caller ID, I won't answer. I will not respond or I'll never get away. John could do a lot to cool NK off too... sometimes a little talk while holding the proverbial big stick (ie- Hi Gorm, this is my little friend the baseball bat. If you keep bugging my wife, you're going to get to know him a lot better) can do a lot to moderate people's bad behaviour. Hehee, John isn't really prone to violence, but he would if it became necessary, I'm sure. He's being my strength right now, helping me to keep my willpower. I can't abandon the internet, and I won't, I have too many other things there that mean a lot to me, so I have to block out the problem... and his stupid IWT 12 step counselor who is also playing the game and not helping me. I want them both out of my life, and I'm doing all I can to stop them. Booting them out of my group will be the last resort. Moderation and then no posts will be first. That way I don't have to go back on my policy of not banning people unless I've tried everything else. And I'm not leaving Affinity, I'm just ignoring things there. No one is driving me off there. Besides, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and every hour I continue to ignore him and Tony, is another hour of gained strength and confidence. I know you all are sick of the whole subject, and again I apologize for that, but you are providing additional strength for me to do this, and I really and truly appreciate that. Now... to get this letter written and escape awhile. :) Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #183,240 by rcareaga 11/6/04 12:20:32 PM Reply	To paraphrase James Carville slightly Is Norman drowning? Throw him an anvil. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #183,268 by deSitter 11/6/04 6:59:25 PM Reply	Here's my take SHUT THE FUCK UP EVERYONE, PARTICULARLY YOU, BIRDBRAIN! -drl
Post #183,374 by CRConrad 11/7/04 5:59:54 PM Reply	Yep, Concur: Nope, neither alone nor out of line.
Post #183,373 by CRConrad 11/7/04 5:59:03 PM Reply	Do yourself a favour, Officer Plod... ...and shut the fuck up on shit you're obviously not qualified to judge. Especially since, even if you were qualified to judge Rand on matters of Political Correctness, that's not something that's been exactly required on this board, even in the fora outside of FQ... So you'd be judging -- IF, I say again, you were qualified to do so; which the whole existence of this thread proves that you aren't -- "in vain"; judging on a matter where no judgement was called for. So just shut the fuck up, willya? Thank you. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #183,394 by Arkadiy 11/7/04 7:38:54 PM Reply	Now that you told me to shut up, I am sorely tempted to keep on talking just to spite your arrogant know-it-all cock-sure pig face. But it's ok. The feeling shall pass. -- This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet. -- [link\|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx\|The] Daily WTF
Post #183,426 by rcareaga 11/8/04 4:52:24 AM Reply	another childhood memory As a tyke back in 1959 I was briefly befriended by the School Bully, a large, sullen, universally feared character who took a fancy to my style of speech, which up to that time used to get me routinely thrashed. This lasted only a few months (another move, another school), but they were a heady few months indeed. "Bruno," I would say, pointing, "kill." And a junior tormenter would be left looking like six tins of catfood. The present instance is, to be sure, not really comparable, but there's always a certain resonance of "Bruno" (not, of course, his real name, which I can no longer summon up) whenever I have the good fortune to find CRC, brass knuckles at ready, beside me in a brawl. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #183,429 by CRConrad 11/8/04 6:22:54 AM Reply	Brass? Wouldn't that just shield em from my knuckle horns..?

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