Ok, but where is the UN ...

Post #151,748 by bluke 4/19/04 10:31:47 AM Reply	Ok, but where is the UN ... The EU, the British government, the US government etc. There is no comparison in the interest in the Palestinians by various organizations (UN, EU) and states vs. the Kurds. You haven't explained why.
Post #151,750 by jbrabeck 4/19/04 10:40:17 AM Reply	Money
Post #151,755 by bluke 4/19/04 11:04:33 AM 4/19/04 11:04:54 AM Reply	What do you mean? The Arabs have money and therefore what? I don't see what money has to do with it. It seems to that it has to do with the fact that the Kurds live in Turkey, Iraq and Syria. The Arabs have oil and 22 countries so everyone treats them nice and Turkey has been a major US ally. Edited by bluke April 19, 2004, 11:04:54 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #151,759 by jbrabeck 4/19/04 11:26:22 AM Reply	What does the US gain from a Kurdish state? Nothing. Would upset Turkey. Would upset Syria. Would upset Iraq. Since a Kurdish state doesn't offer anything why should/would the US want to get involved?
Post #151,763 by bluke 4/19/04 11:31:17 AM 4/19/04 11:32:20 AM Reply	What does the US gain from a Palestinian state? No one in the Arab world really wants one. Given the situation there any Palestinian state would probably be either an Islamic state or a failed state which is not in the US interests either. If anyone in the Arab world really cared about the Palestinians the refugees would not be sitting in refugee camps for 55+ years. Edited by bluke April 19, 2004, 11:32:20 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #151,766 by boxley 4/19/04 12:13:18 PM Reply	We have a lot to gain for precisely the reasons you gave The Arabs do not want an independant Palestinian state as the palestinians are the jews of the arab world. Hated, mistrusted and abused. Unfortunately the last 50 years of struggle has made giving them their own state the only method of self determination available to them. Whether it is an Islamic state or a failed state makes no difference, it will be their state. As for that effect on Israel, nothing will change the fact that the world wishes that the Jews would just go away and disappear from the face of the earth so it annoys them to see Jews in the news every day. thanx, bill "You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #151,756 by GBert 4/19/04 11:06:12 AM Reply	No comparison, I agree The two situations are very very different from just about every point of view AFAIK, historically, politically, culturally. What similarities do you see besides the desire to create a new independent political entity? Giovanni I'm not a complete idiot -- some parts are missing
Post #151,760 by bluke 4/19/04 11:26:39 AM Reply	If anything the Kurds have a much stronger case There already are 22 Arab states, Jordan is majority Palestinian, the Kurds on the other hand have nothing. My point was that teh Kurds are ignored and teh Palsetinians are the darlings of the world.
Post #151,762 by jbrabeck 4/19/04 11:29:40 AM Reply	Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. But the political reality is MONEY (read OIL) or Power. A Kurdish state/country would offer nothing. Unless we really did attack Iraq 'cuz Sadaam was a bad guy.
Post #151,764 by boxley 4/19/04 12:05:41 PM Reply	Kurd state would own most of Iraqs oil "You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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