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New It's the shift to a service industry, too
Unraveling the individual effects could probably fill someone's PhD thesis, but combine the massive numbers of women entering the workforce, the export of manufacturing jobs to the Third World, and the automation of what jobs remain, and you end up with a lot of people waiting on each other. For an economy to survive, given current models, some has to actually make something. But let's extrapolate a bit ...

Farming keeps getting more efficient. Where once 50% of the population worked in agriculture -- 50% of the male population, anyway -- now it's down to what, 2%? So 48% had to find something else to do. Then we automated our industry. More jobs no longer done by people. Then we exported the jobs that couldn't be automated. Well, that just shifts the jobs around. Someone still has to do them, and that brings those people into our economic model.

But what happens when all the "needs" of a society can be met by 15% of its citizens? What do the rest of them do for a living? Sure, we'd like to think they can turn to the arts, and exploration. But who's going to give them a paycheck?

I think we've reached a point of industrial efficiency where we don't need so many people to work. We just haven't figured out how to divide the resources other than giving them to the people who do work. And of course anyone who wants more of the resources will try to work for them. In a capitalist society anyway.

So what's the next model? That's one of the questions Star Trek has always sort of glossed over. They refer to a time when replicators became commonplace, and the social and economic upheaval that followed. But they never really got into what model followed. I can't believe mankind is ready for "true" communism yet -- from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs -- but that's the only thing I can see working when labor isn't needed. That or Brave New World, with mandated inefficiency.
We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html|Thomas Friedman]
New Yes, that's the scale I'd prefer to think about - at least
some of the time. Preferably divorced from the fixing of blame for the present and obvious inequities which clearly imply: Some homo-sap is 'worth' a million times what some other homo-sap is worth. (I don't know how to make it simpler than that, without being simplistic too)

Again, my recently discovered book "Anthology of Dystopias" called, Science Fiction and the New Dark Age (Harold Berger '76) categorizes in relevant ways:
(Gross categories)

I. The threat of science
II. The new tyrannies
III. Catastrophe


Under II. appears, Commerce and Exploitation

I'd say we are well within that last category, and (science need not be prepended) fiction writers have tried to see some way of acknowledging the diminishing need for 'workers' - whether building their own machine-replacements, servicing same or .. related: we 'need' fewer of such (in Murica say, such as it is: today). This even before we see that we don't actually 'need' a fraction of all the crap we sell each other -- thinking we have to have Something too do..

When the entire planet is tallied however, from stone-age lifestyle through the solopsistic antics of Scott McNealy and his brethren - it's clear that 'our' position is irrelevant.. so long as most of the world is much nearer the cave than the UAV.

Still, most such what-ifs postulate 'techno' as the immutable and inexorable path >>> er forward. And the entire speculation is rendered much wider when one contemplates another sub-category from above: population. This facet is not even discussable in many Popular religious corporations (and at least one book reviewed: deals with massive crowding forced by the Theological mindsets which demand brain-deadness on the topic).

Etc.

We haven't the foggiest how to distribute wealth with some minimal concept of mere adequacy nor do any but the outliers even worry pretty little heads about the above questions / er Questions. If the religious bugaboos do not trump application of reason: the now political connotations [cf. communism/socialism/sharing = horrors!] will deter any but the brave -- from serious considerations.

Our shibboleths about forbidden topics + a decaying regard for keeping language safe from the cupidity of bizness lying as a way of life: may be all it takes to guarantee that

Science Fiction and the New Dark Age shall become our epitaph, while later readers from proxima-Betelgeuse muse over the fact: Hey.. some of this asshole species saw this coming and.. still! they fucked up their planet terminally, along with our buddies the Porpoises with a Purpose...

{sigh} Worrying won't help. What me worry? Alfred E. Neumann Gets It / We Don't.



Ashton
just watching.
doing is out of the questiion.
New Star Trek
Think about it.

Everyone who isn't in Star Fleet is:

entertainer
food service
pirate/thief/bootlegger/whatever

It is an enlightened military dictatorship.

Star Fleet controls:
The education system (Star Fleet Acadamy)
The medical system
etc.
New ..Yeah .. but___ it's a *dry heat*____________________:-\ufffd
     Shhhhh. Don't tell anyone. The wrong guy's in charge. - (mmoffitt) - (65)
         Yawn.... - (bepatient) - (49)
             Why wouldn't they release the results? - (Silverlock) - (48)
                 Whats the point? - (bepatient) - (47)
                     designed? - (Silverlock) - (46)
                         Ah, but remember "we have to watch what we say/do now" :-( -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             Damn, I forgot. - (Silverlock)
                         Re: designed? - (bepatient) - (43)
                             How are things in Wonderland? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                 Go ask Alice...when she's ten feet tall. -NT - (bepatient)
                             Of course; that very same freedom of the Corporate press - (Ashton) - (40)
                                 I have discounted US media for a very long time... - (bepatient) - (39)
                                     Yes, of course. - (Ashton) - (34)
                                         Social consequence... - (bepatient) - (33)
                                             So then.. - (Ashton) - (32)
                                                 Minor Nit. - (mmoffitt)
                                                 The part that your missing... - (bepatient) - (28)
                                                     Oh, that's good. - (mmoffitt) - (27)
                                                         OoaT (Off on a Tangent) - (drewk) - (6)
                                                             Don't assume static output. - (mmoffitt)
                                                             I don't see it that way - (Silverlock) - (4)
                                                                 It's the shift to a service industry, too - (drewk) - (3)
                                                                     Yes, that's the scale I'd prefer to think about - at least - (Ashton)
                                                                     Star Trek - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                         ..Yeah .. but___ it's a *dry heat*____________________:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton)
                                                         Hmm... - (bepatient) - (19)
                                                             Nice Try. - (mmoffitt) - (15)
                                                                 So you don't like averages - (bepatient) - (14)
                                                                     You are nothing, if not a gentleman. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                     Addendum. - (mmoffitt) - (12)
                                                                         I read the link... - (bepatient) - (11)
                                                                             That last does tend to indicate, however - (Ashton) - (10)
                                                                                 Dismal Science. - (bepatient) - (9)
                                                                                     Are you describing, endorsing or wishing? - (Ashton)
                                                                                     Aren't you putting de SCART before the hobby-horse? - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                                                                         Boy did you guys miss my point. - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                                             I didn't study Econ, but I'm not following this. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                                                                 It may be a minor nit.... - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                     Much better! - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                                                         Wow...my very own LRPD...*blush* -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                                                     Seemed more a dripping thorn.. howsomeever - - (Ashton)
                                                                                             OK, sorry -- I was going to ask, but must have forgotten: - (CRConrad)
                                                             Per capita income is *not* the same as wages - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                 I believe... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                     I don't see it there - (ben_tilly)
                                                 Ashton...Haven't you just recited the Ferengi constitution? -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                                     Is there a difference - theirs / ours *in practice* ? - (Ashton)
                                     One thing that NPR carries... - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                         Most convenient. - (bepatient) - (2)
                                             Yes - when you're near an internet connection. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                 Quite so, quite so. -NT - (bepatient)
         Of *course* the wrong guy's in charge. - (marlowe) - (14)
             For once... - (inthane-chan) - (10)
                 Why did the ground under my feet just move? - (bepatient) - (9)
                     Even more agreement: exactly! - (Ashton)
                     OK. Who would have been the "right" guy or gal? - (Another Scott) - (5)
                         If they'd given us a choice between McCain and Bradley... - (marlowe)
                         Karl Marx. But he's dead. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                         Oh, great, had to go and ruin it, eh? - (admin) - (1)
                             They don't call me "Threadkiller" for nothin' ya know. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                         Thats an easy one... - (bepatient)
                     That's twice in one year... - (jb4) - (1)
                         I think I just saw the Devil's breath! -NT - (bepatient)
             New ski resort opens in hell! - (Silverlock) - (1)
                 Yabut - that's only about the stark fact. - (Ashton)
             Concur. -NT - (mmoffitt)

At least as intelligible as your X-Man666.JPG monologues.
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