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New Who?
Heh. Unintentional pun.

I barely remember NightOwl... wasn't that the poor woman rcagera was using as his personal verbal punching bag?

Any new housing I have encountered, regardless of the price range, comes with a homeowner's association/covenant that you must sign before you can live in the neighborhood. The only way to not deal with those is to be lucky enough to afford an older house in a neighborhood that hasn't gone that route.

In Troy, where I live now, old houses are pretty cheap (at least initially). In Raleigh, the old houses tend to be more expensive because they have more land. New houses tend to run the gamut, because builders are required to build affordable housing in a development *before* they get on to the more expensive stuff.

Trish and I bought the second to last house in the "first wave" of a five-stage housing development. The house cost $120,000... to a guy who had lived in Northern Virginia and Richmond, that was amazingly cheap. (120K in Northern Virginia will get you one bedroom, one bathroom, a kitchen and a living room).

The older houses (the ones we knew about anyway) were more expensive. OR, they were in such disrepair that there was no hope of us being able to fix them without sinking a lot of money into it. Since the new houses were affordable and came with a *warranty* (up to ten years on some parts of it) they were the best choice.

But... they all come with that damn rider.

"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
New Whooo... indeed. ( was Re: Who?) (new thread)
Created as new thread #130970 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=130970|Whooo... indeed. ( was Re: Who?)]
"The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be."

Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
New Totally opposite here
My sister-in-law and her husband are ... not the handy type. They didn't want to have to deal with exterior maintenance. So when they were looking for a new place they looked at condos. Paid $140k for a new 2br condo. Small bedrooms; one of them isn't even large enough for a queen-sized bed. Didn't bother talking to any family before they had already bought it.

So now they have a $140k mortgage, plus HOA fees. And they discovered when they take their dog for a walk that the neighborhood right next door is 3-4 br colonials on 1/8-acre lots for $130-$160k. So they could have the same mortgage, and for what they're paying for HOA fees they could have a handyman on call to cut grass and plow snow.

And they are locked in for 10 years. The neighborhood they're in was trying to increase the home ownership/rental ratio, so gave a 10 year break on property taxes for home puchases. If they try to move out early, they have to pay the back taxes first. Seven years into it, they still owe more than the current market rate, not even counting the back taxes.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New personal punch
cwbrenn, returning after a lengthy self-exile—welcome back, and let's hope that karsten will someday find his way home as well—wonders, anent the featherheaded one
wasn't that the poor woman rcagera was using as his personal verbal punching bag?
Assuming that was actually my dyslexia-inducing online handle being scrambled above, I vigorously refute the assertion. I never employed Nightowl as a personal punching bag: I was always unselfishly willing to share the abuse with others, and in these latter months, I am pleased to report, the duties of dope-slapping have been taken up by hands far more capable than my own. Also, the punching bag metaphor is itself inapposite, suggesting as it does a certain solidity and weight, whereas the owlet's contributions are masterpieces of insubstantiality, with a volume-to-content ratio not generally seen this side of the more advanced aerogels—hardly the stuff of a proper sparring workout.

Again, welcome back, and I hope you find the climate more congenial this time out—although the artist until recently known as screamer complains that the joint is becoming too tame...

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Ah.. the eternal quadrangle -
Tame, Lame, Flame or Fame

Then there's Mark Morford's little essay at SFgate on the 'removal' of the deep-end, in most contemporary safe-safe-safe "swimming pools" -

What is left, really, to teach us of the wonders and perils of solo survivalism and accomplishment and desperate breaststroke struggle? What is left to impart hints of terror and bliss and little exhilarating winks of potential death?

What, in short, will supplant the deep end? The media? "Survivor?" War? The NRA? Dick Cheney's pallid hateful sneer? Not quite.

No, the demise of the deep end may not be the end of the world as you know it. But it's sure as hell the end of one of our more fascinating, and vital, deeper perspectives.
     home ownership versus The First Amendment - (lincoln) - (49)
         Welcome to the new US - (JayMehaffey) - (9)
             Can't you sue - (orion) - (8)
                 I see that you don't choose to understand the Constitution - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                     Well, any law used to enforce such a contract - (Arkadiy) - (6)
                         That is what I thought - (orion)
                         The argument fails - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                             Beg to differ. - (jb4) - (1)
                                 Beg away - (ben_tilly)
                             Much longer shot . - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                 I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't work that way - (ben_tilly)
         You cannot sign away your rights in a contract. - (imric) - (7)
             Yes you can - (broomberg) - (5)
                 Re: Yes you can - (deSitter)
                 Sadly - (orion)
                 A judge told me this. - (imric) - (2)
                     so you got off? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                         A close friend's Dad... - (imric)
             Sure you can. - (admin)
         Not a problem. - (Andrew Grygus) - (24)
             how many new homes are not in a planned community? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (23)
                 If one of those sterile controlled environments . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (22)
                     If by "living environment above their means" you mean... - (inthane-chan)
                     I see IWETHEY continues to maintain - (cwbrenn) - (19)
                         Much better sweeping catchall statements to worry about - (drewk) - (8)
                             Been lurking for a few weeks.. - (cwbrenn) - (7)
                                 Hi! -NT - (bepatient)
                                 At least lurk... - (folkert)
                                 good to see you! -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                                 Hope all is well in Upstate NY with 2 "good" snows and all. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                 Hey! Nice to hear from you, Chris! -NT - (jb4)
                                 Has ND support been offshored? - (deSitter) - (1)
                                     it's bloody cold - (cwbrenn)
                         You mean then____Ho Ho Ho! - (Ashton)
                         Read again. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                             But Andrew, - (cwbrenn) - (6)
                                 So then . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                     Who? - (cwbrenn) - (4)
                                         Whooo... indeed. ( was Re: Who?) (new thread) - (Nightowl)
                                         Totally opposite here - (drewk)
                                         personal punch - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                             Ah.. the eternal quadrangle - - (Ashton)
                         glad to see you - (boxley)
                     "around here" - (SpiceWare)
         My response to attempt to enforce would be - (tuberculosis)
         Just line it out. - (jb4) - (2)
             KB Homes is a national company - (lincoln) - (1)
                 If they want to play that way, the ntwo can play - (jb4)
         HOA's as the Anti Life League - (dlevitt) - (1)
             Homeowners Association - (Andrew Grygus)

Did you hear the one about the priest, the rabbi, and the gloat?
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