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by Arkadiy
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9/24/01 4:55:28 PM
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Also, they were rather secular lot, if I understand correctly. Add to that the recent holocaust: risks were everywhere anyway.
Post #10,490
by a6l6e6x
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9/26/01 4:02:08 AM
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I don't believe they are so secular in making "facts on the ground" and claiming their Biblical lands.

Sure Israel is a very risky place to be. But the level of risk in settlements is extremely high. They need to be protected by the IDF as well as being armed themselves. They can't travel to work or school unless under guard. Nor are they that safe in their enclaves with the Palestinian sniping and shelling that occurs sporadically.

My point is that they have set themselves and their families to be martyrs for their cause while at the same time enraging the Palestinians. They get to kill Palestinians, off and on, as a bonus. When mortars are used distinctions between men, women, and children vanish. These are the heroic Israelis. While not strictly suicidal, they are suicidal by proxy. Not much difference, the way I see it. These folks fuel the fire of hatred as much as the Palestinian suicide bombers. "I will kill you when I can and would rather die than not have my way." is the message of both.

It's a prescription for perpetual violence.

For both of them, it's a tragic way of life. I wish the US had not been dragged into it.
Alex
Whom the gods destroy, they first make mad. -- Euripides
     The reason for the terrorist attacks (in a nutshell) - (brettj) - (37) - Sept. 21, 2001, 11:44:15 PM EDT
         Perhaps he simply likes explosions and death - (tablizer) - (3) - Sept. 22, 2001, 12:36:26 AM EDT
             Too Much American Movie? - (gdaustin) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2001, 09:33:54 AM EDT
                 "Gironimo"? - (tablizer) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2001, 04:13:02 PM EDT
                     Some say he left at least 4 days ago... - (Another Scott) - Sept. 23, 2001, 04:35:07 PM EDT
         New O'Reilly book? Lemming on the cover?..............Sorry -NT - (Another Scott) - (8) - Sept. 22, 2001, 10:19:33 AM EDT
             How does the destruction of Buddhist shrines by the Taliban - (brettj) - (7) - Sept. 22, 2001, 03:51:26 PM EDT
                 It's complicated. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2001, 11:08:54 PM EDT
                     I thought that was simple... - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - Sept. 23, 2001, 09:57:50 AM EDT
                         Let's take this a bit farther. - (brettj) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2001, 11:14:42 AM EDT
                             Not sure what you mean... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2001, 05:14:16 PM EDT
                                 The Afghan tribes didn't destroy the idols until the Taliban - (brettj) - Sept. 23, 2001, 05:57:07 PM EDT
                         Real tolerant of other religions? - (orion) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:11:22 PM EDT
                             Do you mean like.. - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:52:07 PM EDT
         Reasons for terrorism - (Ric Locke) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2001, 09:49:53 PM EDT
             But, wait! There is Sadam, the Saladin, 1990 model. - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 22, 2001, 10:23:33 PM EDT
             Re: Reasons for terrorism - (gtall) - Sept. 23, 2001, 09:09:15 AM EDT
             Thanks. This answer's part of my question below. - (brettj) - Sept. 23, 2001, 01:00:57 PM EDT
             Re: Reasons for terrorism - a pretty good QAD summary - (dmarker2) - Sept. 24, 2001, 04:05:19 AM EDT
             Re: Reasons for terrorism - a pretty good QAD summary - (dmarker2) - Sept. 24, 2001, 04:31:39 AM EDT
             Re: Reasons for terrorism - (bluke) - Sept. 24, 2001, 07:24:44 AM EDT
         The pieces to the puzzle are falling into place. - (brettj) - (16) - Sept. 23, 2001, 10:07:01 AM EDT
             How do the Jewish people fit into the picture? - (brettj) - (15) - Sept. 23, 2001, 11:11:15 AM EDT
                 Osama bin Laden quotes. - (a6l6e6x) - (14) - Sept. 23, 2001, 02:41:30 PM EDT
                     Thanks. Here is a LA Times link. - (brettj) - (3) - Sept. 23, 2001, 03:32:27 PM EDT
                         Re: And therein lies the biggest dilemma - (dmarker2) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2001, 09:47:02 PM EDT
                             This is starting to look like a Hitler repeat? - (brettj) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2001, 10:37:11 PM EDT
                                 Uh, that's not how it was, is it? - (CRConrad) - Sept. 27, 2001, 03:32:17 AM EDT
                     Re: Osama bin Laden quotes - the US shame ??? - (dmarker2) - (9) - Sept. 24, 2001, 03:30:11 AM EDT
                         Problem not confined to Islam: organized religion. - (Ashton) - (7) - Sept. 24, 2001, 03:55:19 PM EDT
                             Ashton, don't be afraid to include the Zionists... - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - Sept. 24, 2001, 04:17:35 PM EDT
                                 But not someone's else wives and children - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2001, 04:55:28 PM EDT
                                     Re: But not someone's else wives and children - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 26, 2001, 04:02:08 AM EDT
                             So, your position is that... - (ChrisR) - (3) - Sept. 24, 2001, 05:22:38 PM EDT
                                 Only if it becomes profitable in the US environment - (mhuber) - (2) - Sept. 24, 2001, 05:31:23 PM EDT
                                     Speech != action... - (ChrisR) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2001, 05:56:40 PM EDT
                                         The comparison is about 'mindset' only, not probability - (Ashton) - Sept. 24, 2001, 06:44:43 PM EDT
                         Other Osama ignoring - (wharris2) - Sept. 26, 2001, 08:45:27 AM EDT

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