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New Methinks the hypothesis could not be tested.
There may even be 'proof' that it is of this class of concept, for those who do not believe in, "by inspection".

That is: a unique phenomenon in the yet-known milieu (life) is the situation. One need not anthropomorphize the planet to embellish 'Gaia' - nor may we dismiss the concept via any notion of 'statistical reasoning'.

Corollary: A collection of metaphors chosen by one group, is followed by repeated efforts to kill off members of another group (with slightly different ones) - an observable characteristic of the only example extant of this life phenomenon, at least among the most imaginative of the creatures. (Who are like us - therefore must be important)

Thus, re this tendency of homo-sap to create *personal* Gods in Our Likeness and infuse these with personalities, via our vivid imaginations: what is one justified in concluding from even this similar phenomenon, given the aforementioned Sample-of-One instance? We cannot study the process of Origin of this One sample. But we know how to design HVAC feedback loops and we naturally extrapolate that demonstrable knowledge of a process.

What we can't know from this Sample - is whether or not 'Gaia' (for ex.) is a mere thermostatic device or if it is umm Something Else upon which "some loop is closed" - perhaps something so unfathomable to us in our primitive state of knowledge, as to seem Magical.

IMO Gaia is as potentially useful a concept as is the Carnot cycle (a 'thing' which exists only in human mentation too - like so much else about which we tend to make the map/territory error). It needs less imagination than the construction of Gods and it derives from physics knowledge of process.

It's A-l-i-i-i-v-e !!! makes for good theatre, we note in our entertainments. *What* is to say that this One Known biosphere is not also alive ?? After all, one Can say, "as above so below" - as easily as not say this.

(And we both know well enough that, 'proof' is a word with rather limited application: perfectly applied only within rigorously stated mathematical axioms - damn near meaningless when applied to human behaviour; varying degrees of success in between. No?)

Postulates on the Gaia hypothesis:

1) It is incapable of resolution. Yet. It will depend upon whether or not the species survives long enough to mature.

2) At maturity, we may apperceive that the hypothesis can be resolved - or even superseded.


Ashton, or something
(What is meant by maturity ? [Hah])
New In other words, it's a statement of faith.
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New blazing metaphors
Corollary: A collection of metaphors chosen by one group, is followed by repeated efforts to kill off members of another group (with slightly different ones) - an observable characteristic of the only example extant of this life phenomenon, at least among the most imaginative of the creatures. (Who are like us - therefore must be important)

See Dawkins 1976 and Dennett 1991 for discussions of memes and how they propagate and compete.

cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
New Good reminder..
IIRC he had a bit of a blast with the faith dysfunction, though certainly not denying.. the also plentiful endorphins one experiences with guilty pleasures -
Like -- as someone once quoted from that neat dead language -- "Certuum est quia impossibile est". It is certain because it is impossible. Mayhaps an explanation for the marlowe-phantasm's Digital-faith in Peace Through Massive Bombardment cha cha cha

Also Hofstadter on viral sentences and self-replicating structures (not sure if that was in GEB or elsewhere) - surely a Registry-cleaner for overloaded neuron agglomerations..



But then, is there really anything new (The Hundredth Monkey) under our virus-attracting conceptual-Sun -?- "Give me a child until it is six and I'll fuck up the little sucker for life.." to coin a phrase.


Ashton
Is The Rev Foulwell a Holygram or a dEvil Dog (spelled backwards is fun)
Is the catalog of all works in the library to contain 'The Catalog' ?
(Or must we perform asanas to the meta?)
Is we edjaKatin our Yout yet?
New What value do you seek from the hypothesis?
If it is amusement and sounding mystical, then proceed.

If it is a useful paradigm which motivates research and enables you to organize your understanding of multiple areas of science, then a more concrete comprehension of the topic is worthwhile.

My desire is for the latter...

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New You might wish to be careful re the assumption that
these are mutually exclusive (or even separate) goals :-\ufffd

Merely because organized religion has been so abysmally filled with treacle - doesn't mean that the Gaia metaphor is required also to conform to our historical standard of Execrableness. Capital-r Reality [whatever That might Be] is hardly likely to be accessible via merely the likes of Mr. Booles's handy stone knives & bearskins. (In my lexicon, anyway. YMMV)

Render unto C\ufffdsar Physics that which physics can manage: mapping the world of appearances and the Impressive! illusion of 'substance'. Dismiss the possibility of the ineffable at own risk ;-)


Ashtonanda
Subsidiary of, sat chit ananda

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Expand Edited by Ashton March 17, 2003, 01:30:54 AM EST
     WHO virus warning update, it has spread to canada - (boxley) - (49)
         Yes. this is big news up here today. - (jake123)
         Scary - (ben_tilly) - (6)
             CDC (typical conservative) response - (tseliot) - (4)
                 How do you assess the risk? - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                     Next week will tell the tale - (jake123) - (2)
                         I wouldn't worry about Toronto - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                             I'm not... yet. - (jake123)
             Yes, this is not good, not good at all - (jake123)
         and so it begins - (rcareaga) - (38)
             Well..I actually *understand* it... - (ben_tilly) - (37)
                 as useful as Navaho traditions - (boxley)
                 We may be speaking at cross-purposes... - (rcareaga) - (35)
                     No, not animist, analist would be more apt :) -NT - (boxley) - (19)
                         Re: No, not animist, analist would be more apt :) - (rcareaga) - (18)
                             your description of what others might think of you - (boxley) - (17)
                                 The "Viega" tag.. - (rcareaga) - (16)
                                     no problem I find it amusing and that is the only criteria - (boxley) - (7)
                                         why then, if it amuses you - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                             thank you sir for your understanding -NT - (boxley)
                                         Well.. I guess it might amuse me that - (Ashton) - (4)
                                             I would have thought by now you of all people - (boxley) - (3)
                                                 Who He? - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                     inna movie i sentya :-) busy lad ashton -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                         Well.. yeah: the Worm in the Apple, or maybe the asp - (Ashton)
                                     since I feel sorry for ya Viega - (boxley) - (7)
                                         Re: since I feel sorry for ya Viega - (rcareaga) - (4)
                                             Joys of the unfettered associative-brain: - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                 Re: Joys of the unfettered associative-brain: - (rcareaga)
                                             since I only heard it, it sounds like Viega with a bad Irish - (boxley) - (1)
                                                 socialist? hardly - (rcareaga)
                                         Nit - (Silverlock)
                                         Romolo Valli - (deSitter)
                     We may indeed be speaking at cross-purposes - (ben_tilly) - (14)
                         huh?? - (rcareaga) - (12)
                             Quite simply... - (ben_tilly) - (11)
                                 Re: Quite simply... - (rcareaga) - (10)
                                     pick up yer local copy of the bible - (boxley)
                                     You seem to have missed the point - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                                         Re: You seem to have missed the point - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                             I think that I have read enough evolution theory for now... - (ben_tilly)
                                         Methinks the hypothesis could not be tested. - (Ashton) - (5)
                                             In other words, it's a statement of faith. -NT - (jake123)
                                             blazing metaphors - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                                 Good reminder.. - (Ashton)
                                             What value do you seek from the hypothesis? - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                 You might wish to be careful re the assumption that - (Ashton)
                         Re: We may indeed be speaking at cross-purposes - (deSitter)
         Iraq must've launched one of its bio-weapons. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         New case in Toronto - (jake123)

Several ICLRPDs in there, but I'll let others pick out their favorites.
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