It sounds to me

Post #86,169 by orion 3/6/03 4:39:43 PM Reply	It sounds to me like you may need to use the SiS 6326 card to change the BIOS settings for Video to turn Video caching off, turn off the Assign IRQ to VGA card option, and then power off and reinstall the ATI card. If that fails, try resetting the mother board BIOS to factory defaults. I generally stay away from ATI cards myself, because I have found them to be buggy and incompatable with some motherboards. My brother had a problem like that with his Abit motherboard, it was a GeForce 2 AGP card, it turned out he had two options: #1 Downgrade the BIOS to an earlier version that worked with the video card. #2 Get a different card. He had to get an ABit made GeForce 2 card, the one he had bought was Asus. Something in the BIOS update had clobbered the card. Some VGA refresh or caching issue. This only happens with new motherboards, not old ones. Good luck, I hope you find out what the problem is. Welcome to IWETHEY, I wondered when you'd show up eventually. :) P.S. The number of beeps is important as well. They are codes that can tell us what is going wrong. Obviously it is the video, which isn't working. But the codes can tell you if it is video memory or something else. Usually a series of long or short beeps. I'd have to look up the codes at Tyan to figure it out, or they could be in your motherboard manual. The codes are like morse code, a series of short and long beeps. [link\|http://pub75.ezboard.com/bantiiwethey\| New and improved, Chicken Delvits!]
Post #86,186 by Nightowl 3/6/03 5:02:08 PM Reply	Re: It sounds to me Orion wrote:>>like you may need to use the SiS 6326 card to change the BIOS settings for Video to turn Video caching off, turn off the Assign IRQ to VGA card option, and then power off and reinstall the ATI card. If that fails, try resetting the mother board BIOS to factory defaults.<< He might have done all that, but I'll let him know. I know he did something with the SIS card and did something to the BIOS settings. Orion wrote:>>I generally stay away from ATI cards myself, because I have found them to be buggy and incompatable with some motherboards.<< Well, I've been learning that through my research on the net. Seems that the Radeon 7200 has had problems with more than one motherboard. Orion wrote:>>Good luck, I hope you find out what the problem is. Welcome to IWETHEY, I wondered when you'd show up eventually. :)<< Thanks, I've been here awhile, just didn't post. Orion wrote:>>P.S. The number of beeps is important as well. They are codes that can tell us what is going wrong. Obviously it is the video, which isn't working. But the codes can tell you if it is video memory or something else. Usually a series of long or short beeps. I'd have to look up the codes at Tyan to figure it out, or they could be in your motherboard manual. The codes are like morse code, a series of short and long beeps.<< Yeah, I know. I think the problem was that the beeps we got weren't in our manual. :) But thanks! Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,190 by admin 3/6/03 5:06:28 PM Reply	You might like to try: The quoting options on the reply screen. Change it from 'symbol' to 'split block', then click the Quote button. Or, use split italic if that's your preference. Generally the results are pretty easy to read, and it's quicker and easier than quoting things yourself. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #86,196 by Nightowl 3/6/03 5:12:54 PM Reply	Re: You might like to try: The quoting options on the reply screen. Change it from 'symbol' to 'split block', then click the Quote button. Or, use split italic if that's your preference. Generally the results are pretty easy to read, and it's quicker and easier than quoting things yourself. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..." Like this? That looks REALLLLLLY weird in preview mode..... ;) I don't mind quoting things myself, because I edit everything out I don't want for the most part anyway, but if it's not acceptable, I'll try and learn this way. :) Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,201 by admin 3/6/03 5:21:39 PM Reply	Yep, like that. Like this? That looks REALLLLLLY weird in preview mode..... ;) Basically the split modes break the content for you automatically. You can then fill in your replies between the breaks. The <blockquote> style is the generally accepted quote style for HTML purposes. I don't mind quoting things myself, because I edit everything out I don't want for the most part anyway, but if it's not acceptable, I'll try and learn this way. :) Use what you feel comfortable with, and what works best for you. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the options since you spent so much time nicely formatting your quotes and replies by hand. :-) Another nice bit is that it will stack the quotes for you as well: The quoting options on the reply screen. Blah blah blah. etc. Some reply to that, etc. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #86,207 by Nightowl 3/6/03 5:32:29 PM Reply	Re: Yep, like that. Well, it doesn't like me a lot. ;) Here is what it did when I tried to only keep one section of it! LOL! Unmatched close tag I never get the hang of this html quoting. :( Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,210 by admin 3/6/03 5:36:08 PM Reply	Re: Yep, like that. Well, it doesn't like me a lot. ;) Here is what it did when I tried to only keep one section of it! LOL! Unmatched close tag Ah. Well, you just have to make sure your <blockquote> tags still match. Or try the symbol quoting style. I never get the hang of this html quoting. :( Well, as I said, do what your most comfortable with. :-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #86,199 by deSitter 3/6/03 5:19:00 PM Reply	Re: It sounds to me ATI makes wonderful hardware. It's picky in some ways but the performance is worth it. Most of what you read on the 'net is compiled by idiots who can't set up hardware correctly. Don't listen to their anti-ATI FUD. ATI is one of the few companies that has always played ball with Linux developers. -drl
Post #86,202 by Nightowl 3/6/03 5:23:13 PM Reply	Re: It sounds to me Most of what you read on the 'net is compiled by idiots who can't set up hardware correctly. Don't listen to their anti-ATI FUD. Hehee, well I'm listening to ALL information, anti or non-anti. ;) We're trying to determine how much more trouble to put into this card or to give up and get something else later. The SIS card is AGP, too, so it isn't the AGP port. :) Is this quoting thing working yet? It still looks awfully weird. Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,204 by deSitter 3/6/03 5:25:59 PM Reply	? SIS card? What SIS card? (Aside: What part of StL do you inhabit?) -drl
Post #86,206 by Another Scott 3/6/03 5:27:42 PM Reply	Short-Attention-Span Theater [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=86017\|#86017]. >:-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #86,209 by Nightowl 3/6/03 5:35:28 PM Reply	Re: ? SIS card? Oh sorry, forgot to add that the only way Andrei WORKS now, is we put the original SIS 6326 card back in, and it's also AGP. I live in North St. Louis County, any reason you asked? :) Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,216 by deSitter 3/6/03 5:46:45 PM Reply	Re: ? SIS card? ATI cards have a fixed memory aperture for the frame buffer. This can be configured, but should auto-configure. There is no reason, NONE WHATSOEVER, for the ATI card to be incompatible with this mobo. Something is wrong in the BIOS. See here: [link\|http://mirror.ati.com/support/infobase/biostutorial.html\|http://mirror.ati.co...biostutorial.html] -drl
Post #86,218 by Nightowl 3/6/03 5:56:28 PM Reply	Re: ? SIS card? Hmmm ok, Desitter. We'll look at that too. Here is what the Tech people at Tyan wrote me back: (just now) TYAN wrote:>>I'm not sure what could be causing this problem. We haven't done any further video testing with this product due to its age. The video compatibility stopped at the GeForce2 GTS level due to power requirements and board layout and etc. being at their maximum at that point. We have not tested this 7200 Radeon so we can't say if it is truly because there is a compatibility issue or something else associated. It would seem that since you can't even get this to post you are experiencing a base compatibility issue that doesn't have a solution.<< Hmmmm any ideas here? What do they mean by can't get it to post, do they mean, can't get it to boot up? And what is a base compatibility problem? Thanks! Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,222 by jbrabeck 3/6/03 6:03:50 PM Reply	Their Answer It would seem that since you can't even get this to post you are experiencing a base compatibility issue that doesn't have a solution. POST == Power On System Test. Therefore POST == boot up. They ain't got a clue, and since the card is "so old", they don't want to be bothered with it. You're getting good suggestions from here. I can't help, no experience with either the MB or Vid card. btw, Welcome aboard. [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com\|Joe]
Post #86,224 by Nightowl 3/6/03 6:11:06 PM Reply	Re: Their Answer It would seem that since you can't even get this to post you are experiencing a base compatibility issue that doesn't have a solution. POST == Power On System Test. Therefore POST == boot up. Thanks, that explains it better to me! (it starts sounding like computer "greek" to me after a point!) They ain't got a clue, and since the card is "so old", they don't want to be bothered with it. You're getting good suggestions from here. I can't help, no experience with either the MB or Vid card. Okay, thanks! btw, Welcome aboard. Thanks again, and it's nice to have somewhere to go for the help. :) My usual computer repair person moved to Texas and it's hard to get him here to repair anything anymore! ;) Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,227 by boxley 3/6/03 6:14:51 PM Reply	have yer husband offer copious amounts of beer to desitter and a ride, he would prolly go over and fix it. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #86,261 by Nightowl 3/6/03 8:09:15 PM Reply	Re: have yer husband offer copious amounts of beer to This is Nightowl's husband. So if he can't get it to work, do I get my beer back? (I know, not the way I WANT it back....) I think it gives me one long beep and three short beeps, but it stutters, so it's hard to tell. The manual says it should never beep unless it's one long and two short. By the way, the system does boot, it just beeps and doesn't display anything. I know it's booting, because it accessed the disk, and I powered down, and when I powered back up with the SiS card, Windows complained that I didn't shut it down properly. I upgraded the VIA 4in1 drivers, so that's not a problem. There are a lot of sites that say that the VIA chips don't handle "high-power" graphics cards like the Radeon very well, so there may be nothing we can do. I tried an Auto AGP Apurture size, and also EC (the default) and CC (what Tyan recommends in the manual) with no luck. The 4x speed is disabled. AGP is the default card type. I'm trying not to change any settings that might kill off our other AGP card, because that would be a pain. What I really should do is build a new computer with new parts, but I don't have the money for that at the moment.... Thanks for all your help! Nightowl's husband, JohnF (Nightowl says I should tell you the other computer that I use, to really shock you! It's a 60MHz Pentium with Windows 3.11, and yes, it's the Pentium with the floating point bug built in. I kept it instead of exchanging it for a working one, in case it becomes a collector's item someday. Anyway, it still works for the moment, though I have to use Netscape version 3 to view the Internet on it.) "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,264 by pwhysall 3/6/03 8:15:23 PM Reply	Idea. Perhaps the PCI IRQ routing is screwed. With the working card in, go into the BIOS and select whatever option you have for "reset configuration data", "reset ESCD data" or similar. Power down. Insert new card. Power up. Yes, it's a straw - but you're entitled to clutch :-) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #86,277 by deSitter 3/6/03 8:41:01 PM Reply	Good Call ..but I already mentioned that. ATI cards like IRQ 9. -drl
Post #86,848 by orion 3/9/03 2:00:25 AM Reply	Could another device be using IRQ 9 and it doesn't like sharing it? Some motherboard resources like to grab IRQs like that IRQ Steering that Peter mentioned. Do you think that maybe the ATI card is grabbing an IRQ that another resource is also trying to grab? Then they don't like sharing it. Try this, use the SiS card, disable the USB ports and extra serial port if you are not using them. Reset the plug and play settings for the motherboard, power down and then put the ATI card back in, see if that makes a difference. See if there is a jumper or DIP switch on the ATI card that assigns the IRQ manually, then tell Plug and Play in BIOS to reserve that IRQ for a legacy device, and see if that works. [link\|http://pub75.ezboard.com/bantiiwethey\| New and improved, Chicken Delvits!]
Post #86,276 by deSitter 3/6/03 8:40:01 PM Reply	Dah Dit Dit Dit = no video I know exactly what this is - the AGP aperture. But, I can't fix it remotely. -drl
Post #86,363 by Nightowl 3/7/03 2:18:12 AM Reply	Re: Dah Dit Dit Dit = no video I know exactly what this is - the AGP aperture. But, I can't fix it remotely. Hmmm, well is there any way to tell John how to fix it? I appreciate anything you can tell us to try. :) We also wrote ATI in Canada tonight, and they sent us an automated response saying they would look into it too. Maybe between them, Tyan and you guys, we'll solve it. :) Thanks again! Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
Post #86,818 by Nightowl 3/8/03 10:11:35 PM Reply	Re: Dah Dit Dit Dit = no video This is Nightowl's husband again. I misspoke when I said, "AGP aperture size". That is set to 64MB. What I actually meant was that I tried Auto, EC, and CC for the AGP Driving Value. Does that beep code really mean the aperture size is wrong? Thanks, Nightowl's husband JohnF "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)

Welcome to IWETHEY!