Post #86,877
3/9/03 12:51:30 PM
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It's working now!
Hey, guys, this is Nightowl's husband again.
You're gonna love this. I took the computer apart and put the Radeon card back in again, ready to try out all your suggestions. I even wrote down the keystrokes to change BIOS settings so that I could change them without seeing them (they look like, "Down 4 times, Enter, Right, Down 8 times, PageDn, ESC, Right, Enter, Y, Enter).
And the Radeon worked with no settings changes, beyond what didn't work last time.
What was different? Well, I mentioned I was careful to push the card in all the way into the AGP slot. What I didn't mention was that I like to screw down my cards. The Radeon screw hole didn't match the case screw hole perfectly, so I pushed it a little to get the holes to line up. I did that again today, but after I did, I pushed down on the card again, just to make sure it was still seated. Maybe that was the difference, and my previous try accidentally unseated the card when I matched up the screw holes.
Anyway, thanks for all of your help, and I'm sorry it just turned out to be something stupid on my part.
Nightowl's husband JohnF
"Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
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Post #86,881
3/9/03 1:09:47 PM
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Good show, John!
There's always a reason for these things. Sometimes we figure out what it is and sometimes we just change the problem to one we can solve. Looks like you nailed this one.
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #86,892
3/9/03 1:44:18 PM
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If the screwhole doesn't line up . .
. . it's a good Idea to "form"** the bracket a little with long nose pliers to avoid it cocking the card, immediately or over time through to thermal expansion and contraction.
** IBM service technicians were carefully taught to use the term "form" rather than "bend" or "file" when communicating with customers.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #86,898
3/9/03 2:05:52 PM
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You know
..it's bad taste to go online with a problem when you haven't figured out the basic things, like seating a card.
-drl
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Post #86,899
3/9/03 2:07:12 PM
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Don't be an ass.
That's what this place is for. Asking questions. If reseating the card didn't occur to him, that's hardly his fault. It's not the first thing I think of either.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #86,910
3/9/03 2:48:12 PM
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Re: Don't be an ass.
That's what this place is for. Asking questions. If reseating the card didn't occur to him, that's hardly his fault. It's not the first thing I think of either. Well, it isn't that we didn't think of it, we did. What he didn't realize is everytime he "reseated" and "rescrewed" the card in, it unseated. ;) I appreciate all your help, and had you not made the suggestions and such that you had made, he might not have tried again to put it back in, and we'd have been out the cost and use. Since you made viable suggestions, he tried, and thus.. found the problem! So in a way, you did help solve the problem and I thank you! Nightowl >8# "Honesty is the best policy, and the one I use." :)
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Post #86,921
3/9/03 4:17:18 PM
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You must do on-line Linux support, right?
Seating can be deceptive in a crowded PC, and people who don't do this hardware stuff all the time don't realize you should shove all the cards back down hard after tightening the screws.
AGPs are particularly bad because the bracket has a lot of leverage (the slot is way back). For this reason, some motherboards have a special clip to hold down the heel of the video card.
Cheap cases are the worst problem, because they are often way out of tolerance.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #86,955
3/9/03 8:30:02 PM
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Foiled by this myself Friday
Attempting a memory upgrade on a Dell box. Dell uses some\r\nnonstandard (two notch) DIMMs. New stuff doesn't fit. Put the old\r\nstuff back in. Box won't boot, or POST. Five beeps, repeating. \r\n\r\n Re-seat the dummy DIMMs in the two additional memory slots\r\n(I'd pulled one to look at it). Waddyaknow -- you have to properly seat\r\nthe dummy memory sticks for the box to boot. And no, I didn't catch\r\nthat, our IT guy did. \r\n --\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #86,964
3/9/03 9:17:33 PM
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Can verify Cheap cases== Bad Seating
And I don't mean the mini-tower collapsed under my weight...
Years ago I had a very cheap case, a 586-133 (Cyrix, I think), and a 3Dfx Voodoo card... and there was absolutely no way I could screw the thing in - the card perilously gripped the PCI socket with all the tenacity it could muster. Which, since I went to a lot of LAN parties in those days, wasn't much.
Every move of the PC was accompanied by ten minutes of "can I seat the card properly?", often followed by "bugger it. PixelQuake (i.e. not GLQuake) will do..."
John. Busy lad.
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Post #86,969
3/9/03 9:26:58 PM
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You'll just have to find...
...a better class of dates who can afford the front-row center stuff\r\nand treat you right. \r\n\r\n;-)\r\n --\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #86,970
3/9/03 9:28:46 PM
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wanted, SO with top end PC. Email specs on PC.
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]</br>
"If you want to meet a group of people who have a profound distrust of, and hostility toward, our legal system, don't waste your time on political radicals; interview a random selection of crime victims, and you will probably find that they make the former group look like utopian idealists by comparison." Dave Robicheaux
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