Post #84,746
2/27/03 10:53:28 PM
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Re: Now I understand the problem with Estrada's Judgeship
That's so unfair of the wicked Democrats, after the GOP bent over backwards to accommodate Clinton's appointments.
Passing strange how it was deemed in certain quarters an act of high patriotism to obstruct (and impeach) #42, whereas these same clowns regard criticism of #43 as something very like sedition, and practically swoon for very outrage.
And to call Novak a "weasel" is to commit a gross libel against those creatures. Novak (whose birthday it is today or yesterday, I believe) is more like a dimestore Roy Cohn. As the old joke goes: a rattlesnake bit Novak once. It died.
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Post #84,747
2/27/03 10:59:27 PM
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ROFL...how true re: Novak and the weasels.
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Post #84,764
2/28/03 12:16:36 AM
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Do you want to elaborate (for the ill-informed), your
thoughts on what happened to #42 re obstruction & the depth & deviousness of the tactics employed to do so.
I believe you are more than likely to have great insights to share <g>
Thanks
Doug
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Post #84,770
2/28/03 1:37:40 AM
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Good God, where to begin?
The subject is too vast: I'm unequal to it. I will observe--I will stipulate--that Bill Clinton was a flawed human being, unlike all but one or two of his predecessors. His focus group-driven, triangulation-based administration will not be remembered for political courage, although had it not been focus group-driven and triangulation-based we would likely be looking back on a one-term president. I suspect that Clinton would have been a more honorable president had he been blessed with more honorable enemies. The extraordinary thing about his term in office was that, proceeding from the bitterly contested 3-way election of 1992 (which it may certainly be argued that Bush the Elder would have won but for the presence of Ross Perot), the GOP early on decided that Clinton's victory was illegitimate--we may imagine what they would have made had he lost the popular vote and prevailed in the electoral college--with Bob Dole setting the tone early on with his sour declaration that he would represent the 57% of the electorate who hadn't voted for Clinton. This stance manifested itself in legislative obstructionism throughout Clinton's two terms, in sundry rumor-mongering and character assassination (Clinton recruited by KGB in 1969; Clinton murdering Vince Foster) and also in the farcical and futile "Whitewater" investigation that later morphed into l'affaire Lewinsky--a brouhaha that would have been conducted with considerably less noise had critics who had themselves stepped out on spouses or significant others or who had ever allowed the starchy imperatives of the endocrines precedence over the weak objections of the frontal lobes, recused themselves from public participation. Unfortunately the Republicans, having learned the efficacy of making the country damned-near ungovernable in the opposition, took the next logical step in the controversial election of 2000, a factor that apparently influenced Justice Kennedy, who confided to friends that he thought the GOP would provoke a graver constitutional crisis if they wound up with the shit end of the stick, whereas the democrats would roll over--as they did. Incidentally, the 2000 Bush campaign briefly thought that they were going to end up with the edge in the popular vote but lose in the electoral college--and they were gearing up to scream bloody murder about that.
And they have continued, abetted by events, as they began, from coup d'etat to burgeoning police state. If they are returned to office next year I think the country will be locked into such a spiral of repression as will require a violent and bloody revolution to interrupt.
cordially,
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Post #84,776
2/28/03 2:52:58 AM
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I Like it - reads well & enhances your stature as
someone who see things for what they are.
I am a mere foreigner who has no special American insights or emotional political apron strings, but I doubt I would see the events described in any other way.
Cheers & thanks.
Doug Marker
(Hmmmmmm - I wonder what shite this little sequence will liberate from the cesspit of political emotion and bias).
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Post #84,786
2/28/03 8:44:18 AM
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Perhaps your comment should read
someone who see things for what they are. someone who thinks the same way I do. As for Judge blocking I beleive the term is "being Borked" and it wasnt the republicans who thought that up. Clinton was a bright man who wanted to be president, after he got there it was all me/mine think. Say/do whatever it took to get the polls up and dam near wrecked the country over it. Bush needs to get gone. The democrats need to get a clue. Give me someone I can vote for is all I ask. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
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Post #84,795
2/28/03 9:17:10 AM
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and the undead horse you rode in on...
boxley on Clinton: Say/do whatever it took to get the polls up and dam near wrecked the country over it
"dam near wrecked the country"? Man, you be smokin' some righteous shit down there in sultry Florida. Inquiring minds still want to know what color the sky is on Planet Boxley.
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Post #84,807
2/28/03 9:49:10 AM
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oh, you one of those "the man could do no wrong" folks?
When he took a poll just prior to his finger waving episode and the poll told them it was best to lie? If he had come out and said "none of yer dam business who I sleep with" would have avoided months of turmoil.
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Post #84,812
2/28/03 10:07:10 AM
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So if someone doesn't agree with you....
about how Clinton wrecked the country.....
-then they must believe-
that Clinton could do nothing wrong.
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Post #84,821
2/28/03 10:27:17 AM
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not always, but it has happened enough times to be apt
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Post #84,804
2/28/03 9:40:05 AM
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ICLRPD (perhaps a first from this forum..) (new thread)
Created as new thread #84803 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84803|ICLRPD (perhaps a first from this forum..)]
jb4
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Post #84,810
2/28/03 10:04:50 AM
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"Say/do whatever it took to get the polls up and dam near.."
Say/do whatever it took to get the polls up and dam near wrecked the country over it. This country was "dam near wrecked"? Care to detail HOW it was so bad?
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Post #84,819
2/28/03 10:25:51 AM
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lets see,
the bitter partisanship went to 100% so not much could get done.
Bush is a direct result of 8 years of Clinton. A lot of the folks who voted Bush were backlash voters.
The constitutional rights accorded to the president were severly narrowed because of clinton's frivilous privilege lawsuits on a case that he should have settled instead of fighting.
The ability of presidents to issue pardons might be curtailed in the future because of acts he took as he was leaving office.
Locking up federal land for the gain of FOB
Exposing the Senate to ridicule over the impeachment process.
The bitterness that divides this nation over Clinton will take a long time to heal.
The mistrust of the media went skyhigh because of the coverage given and the spiking of stories related to the president. That led to todays hysterical hounding after every rumor and the rise of the entertainment is news that we see today.
Think about this, if Clinton had resigned before facing impeachment and Gore took over would Bush be president today? He took the ME way out.
lots of others but will save for later.
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,822
2/28/03 10:28:10 AM
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You nailed it.
the bitter partisanship I hope you see how ironic this is. How many lives per gallon?
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Post #84,841
2/28/03 10:51:30 AM
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Beyond irony
...is this little nugget from boxley's litany of Bill's black sins:
Exposing the Senate to ridicule over the impeachment process
Box, my man, you gotta let me know where you're scoring that smoke!
cordially,
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Post #84,850
2/28/03 11:17:27 AM
2/28/03 11:43:38 AM
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Well I was sitting in my congress critters office ed(+quote)
in DC during the Senate Hearings and he (Don Young R Alaska) also opined that very statement. It was Sen Ted Stevens that brokered the hearings in the Senate who told the house managers "I dont care if you have a video of Clinton raping and killing a woman, you dont have 60 votes!" (note paraphrased from memory)making the whole effort mute. This would not have happened if the silly bugger had either admitted fscking around in the oval office or resigned. So yes it was Clinton's (in)actions that caused the problem of a Constitutional crisis. Luckily the constitution held. thanx, bill addendum I wanted the correct quote [link|http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/8/23/00248|http://www.newsmax.c...a=2000/8/23/00248] he turning point came, Schippers said, when he heard Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, tell his Judiciary Committee boss Henry Hyde, "Henry, I don't care if you prove Clinton raped a woman and stood up and shot her dead, you're not going to get 67 votes." will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
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Edited by boxley
Feb. 28, 2003, 11:43:38 AM EST
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Post #84,851
2/28/03 11:23:59 AM
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ah, well then...
If the honorable Republican member said so, it must be true. Seriously, Bill, what's the pedigree of that weed? Panama Red? Humboldt County Seedless? Oaxaca Wowie? Fairbanks Hydroponic?
cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
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Post #84,854
2/28/03 11:33:33 AM
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matanuska thunder fs*ck if I still smoked
reglar folk still get (re)elected to government positions. Too bad the elitists have never accepted or understood that,
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,857
2/28/03 11:39:24 AM
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regular folk
reglar folk still get (re)elected to government positions
That would be why the Senate is also affectionately known as "The Millionaires' Club."
cordially,
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Post #244,178
2/10/06 6:25:41 PM
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yabbut many of them wernt before they served a few years
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Post #84,877
2/28/03 12:13:35 PM
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Major nit
Exposing the Senate to ridicule over the impeachment process. Pardon me, Bill, but I don't remember Clinton inviting the Senate to impeach him. In fact, the President never invits an impeachment...IIRmC (If I Remember m Constitution), it's the House that draws up the Articles of Impeachment, and the Articles are tried in the Senate. No, Bill, I'm afraid you're going to have to look elsewhere for the source of Senate ridicule. There are plenty of usual suspects, but Bill Clinton ain't one of 'em. Sorry, better luck next time! jb4
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Post #84,882
2/28/03 12:26:00 PM
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a view you might find interesting
[link|http://www.americanpolitics.info/clinton/trial/statements/stevens.shtml|http://www.americanp...nts/stevens.shtml]
to avoid impeachment all clinton had to do was admit what was alleged against him when the story first broke. He wasted a year of political life playing with these people. Yes, Clintons fault.
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,912
2/28/03 3:01:40 PM
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Sorry, no sale!
All The Repos had to do was "git the fuck over it, awready!"
No, not Clinton's fault. House & Senate Repo's fault.
jb4
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Post #84,906
2/28/03 2:46:17 PM
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"backlash voters"?
Bush is a direct result of 8 years of Clinton. A lot of the folks who voted Bush were backlash voters. Yep. Because Clinton couldn't run for ANOTHER 4 years. If Nader hadn't run, Gore would be the President now. The constitutional rights accorded to the president were severly narrowed because of clinton's frivilous privilege lawsuits on a case that he should have settled instead of fighting. What and how? And what the fuck does this have to do with anything? The ability of presidents to issue pardons might be curtailed in the future because of acts he took as he was leaving office. It's been THREE YEARS now. But it still MIGHT happen IN THE FUTURE and THEN it would be CLINTON'S FAULT. Talk about your broken record. Exposing the Senate to ridicule over the impeachment process. No. Clinton didn't do that. That was Starr and the Republican witch hunters. The bitterness that divides this nation over Clinton will take a long time to heal. That "bitterness" is you and Marlowe and the Right wing nuts who need to blame Clinton for every one of THEIR failures. And I don't think it will EVER "heal". I don't know anyone else as obsessed with Clinton's cock as you people. The mistrust of the media went skyhigh because of the coverage given and the spiking of stories related to the president. Whatever. I haven't trusted the media since Ronnie. That led to todays hysterical hounding after every rumor and the rise of the entertainment is news that we see today. I don't think so. I think that is more of the "entertainment" as "news" which is a result of the media conglomoration. Think about this, if Clinton had resigned before facing impeachment and Gore took over would Bush be president today? Probably. If Nader had still run. He took the ME way out. The "ME" way out? What is that way?
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Post #84,945
2/28/03 4:54:08 PM
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aww, poor baby, do you miss worshipping it?
did you bow down and genuflect to Clinton's cock every night? You sure seem to talk about it a lot. I talk about lies and misdirection, you talk about cock.
Sorry, if you cant do the time dont do the crime. That was my problem with Clinton. As for myself I dont walk in lockstep with anyone. I didnt vote for Bush and wouldnt vote for Gore either. Your zelots didnt pull it off from marlowe's zelots. Both you and he are identical mouthing off the platitudes de jour from your little scripts your handlers let you use.
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,946
2/28/03 4:59:03 PM
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a Box on both their houses... (couldn't resist!)
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Post #84,960
2/28/03 7:13:58 PM
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Count the number of INITIAL posts from you about him.
The compare that to the number of INITIAL posts from me about him. Hmmmmm, the numbers seems to indicate that YOU post more about him than I do. Sorry, if you cant do the time dont do the crime. That was my problem with Clinton. He's gone. He's history now. But you keep bringing him up. What was that? "undead horse" Coin'ed SPECIFICALLY because SOME PEOPLE just can't seem to stop posting about him. As for myself I dont walk in lockstep with anyone. Right. Those others just happen to be going in the same direction, at the same time, with the same step. I didnt vote for Bush and wouldnt vote for Gore either. Ahh, a Buchanan man. I thought I smelled that.
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Post #84,963
2/28/03 7:23:59 PM
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you mean jackboots n polish pat?
hardly. More of a Jesse Ventura type. Do you attend political meetings with people you agree with? I suspect you do.
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,970
2/28/03 8:17:04 PM
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Jesse ran for president?
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Post #84,975
2/28/03 8:51:25 PM
2/28/03 8:54:14 PM
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nope, thats why I didnt vote in that race e(adds)
Need someone of his stature and ideals. As for Buchanon, never trust an idealogue that claims to be blue collar and only drinks expensive wine. Now if that nasty little prick carville would run, him I'd vote for.
thanx.
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Edited by boxley
Feb. 28, 2003, 08:54:14 PM EST
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Post #85,002
2/28/03 10:23:46 PM
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You didn't vote for President?
Well, I guess that says everything that needs to be said.
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Post #85,005
2/28/03 10:40:56 PM
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:-) not my fault but I'll bi*ch anyway:-)
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Post #85,047
3/1/03 8:23:51 AM
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This is the crux of our differences.
You believe that because you did not participate in the action, you are "innocent".
I believe that if you do not actively oppose something, you share the guilt with those who supported it.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke
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Post #85,048
3/1/03 9:51:59 AM
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and I will add
anent Ralph Nader and the Greens, that to spurn the lesser of two evils is to feed the greater. Any Green who hasn't repudiated his 2000 vote seems to me of like mind with the leftie twits who applauded Nixon's election in 1968 because it would hasten the inevitable Revolution. Ayup, and we all know (well, Marlowe might not) how that turned out.
cordially,
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Post #84,820
2/28/03 10:26:12 AM
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Fap
You complain that some of us think "Clinton could do no wrong". You appear to think he could do no right. Both positions are wide of the mark.
How many lives per gallon?
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Post #84,824
2/28/03 10:28:38 AM
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Okay, you name something Clinton did wrong
and I will name something he did right
straight up no weaseling.
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,832
2/28/03 10:33:57 AM
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Kiddie games?
I said "appear to think". I'll leave the right shift contest to someone more interested.
How many lives per gallon?
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Post #85,054
3/1/03 10:39:45 AM
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let's have at that undead horse, then!
I'll bite. Clinton bonked an intern at a point in his career when he had to have taken his enemies' measure. Had he been thinking with the big head instead of the little head he would have known that he was putting all he had hoped to accomplish in pawn to, God save the mark, the discretion of a 22 year-old female who, as we now know, was as silent on this matter as the grave--well, as a mass grave--and who revealed her secret to no one but her twenty-five closest friends, one of whom elected to wear a wire. For the sake of some fairly advanced foreplay--not even real nookie as this is classically defined--he imperilled his entire presidency and handed his enemies a sword with which to smite him. That his enemies wound up tripping (Tripp-ing, heh-heh) on their own schlongs and impaling themselves on said sword you are entitled to regard as another grave sin to be laid at the president's big feet, although many more of us here regard it as a delightful denouement to the finest political theatre we'd seen since #37, his great leathery wings beating the air, flew off into the western sunset.
Clinton was wrong to grope that intern.* And of course, I can say this because, like George Tirebiter, I never lie and I'm always right, and I've never, ever, stepped out on a wife or girlfriend. How 'bout you, box, hmm? Simon-pure like me--or do forgive yourself any lapses by reminding us, indignantly, that you weren't President?
*As to what followed--all that was a series of improvised survival strategies, some adroit, some not, that got him through the next two years. To aver that had he owned up at the outset he could have survived in office...well, a body'd have to be dumber'n catshit to believe that.
cordially,
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Post #85,062
3/1/03 11:50:28 AM
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Fair enough
The man had the wisdom to undo a wrong done to the people of Elim AK when in 1921 by woodrow wilson when woodrow withdrew via executive order almost half of the allocated reservation and designated it a ww1 veterans homestead are. When ANSCA came around the feds denied the elim corp claims to that land. After very little lobbying President Clinton reversed the prior executive order recognising a past wrong that he could fix. He was also Instrumental in working with Ted Stevens to fund and build the state of the art medical campus in Anchorage AK for Alaska Natives.
Which one of our examples is politicised?
thanx,
bill
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Post #85,063
3/1/03 11:56:48 AM
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Point to Boxley. :-)
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Post #85,066
3/1/03 12:15:34 PM
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none needed and I expect rc to respond differently
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Post #85,079
3/1/03 1:12:26 PM
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Re: none needed and I expect rc to respond differently
"Which one of our examples is politicised?"
Why mine, of course. Sorry, was this forbidden under the terms of engagement? I didn't discern that in the post in which you solicited examples, or in previous remarks like "did you bow down and genuflect to Clinton's cock every night?"
What exactly are you expecting, then?
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Post #85,085
3/1/03 2:20:11 PM
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exactly what I got because you did not see my post first
I was hoping that perhaps you might have something else to post to my reasoned response. Was that previous remark directed to/at you?
thanx,
bill
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