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Post #83,094
by bepatient
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2/21/03 12:09:43 AM
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New Actually...he pretty much admits..
...to dropping the Stalinist (he calls communist) belief structure of his youth. (not that young)...but still carries a pretty good torch for individual liberty and civil rights....but thinks that the pendulum has gone too far...especially in universities...and that the "radical left" as he calls them are actually squelching the free exchange of ideas.

Tactically? I won't bicker about that with you. Anyone with their mind made up and a really strong POV could be called a "tactical Stalinist" or a doctrinaire thug. Even some folks here :)
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Post #83,095
by rcareaga
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2/21/03 12:16:45 AM
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New Re: Actually...he pretty much admits..
I call Horowitz a thug tactically and doctrinally. He was a street criminal, rhetorically speaking, in 1967 and he's a street criminal today--he's just working the other side of the street. It's tough for me to see how any rational person can take him seriously: he's the spiritual heir of Roy Cohn.

not-so-cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #83,100
by bepatient
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2/21/03 12:33:05 AM
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New Far be it from anyone...
...to bring alternative viewpoints to this group. Seems that differing views just cannot be tolerated.

If you don't want to take him seriously, then don't. I linked to it based on something I heard on the radio on my way home from work...thought it might stir something up in here.

Lord knows if somebody thinks a little differently...they cannot be rational.
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Post #83,106
by rcareaga
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2/21/03 1:15:12 AM
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New Re: Far be it from anyone...
So you heard something on the radio on the way home...and you regard criticism of Horowitz as intolerance? This is the mindest that imagines "liberal media bias." God help us all.
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #83,117
by bepatient
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2/21/03 6:55:00 AM
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New Could be over-reacting..
...but the first response after posting was a personal attack...not by you granted.

Then "no rational person" should be able to take him seriously...not so cordially...

Attitude man...its the attitude.

Tell me..."Horowitz is a loonie...has been from the 60's...still one now just working for he other side"...I'd agree...instead you get the "how could...nobody should..." type of criticism.

You know...the exact stuff he bitches about existing on campus. Yes. I consider that intolerance...because veiled in the criticism of the messenger is the utter dismissal of any consideration of his views as "irrational".

HE won't help. HE's a hands-off guy (or gal).

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     60s radical speaks on the new "peace" movement - (bepatient) - (45) - Feb. 20, 2003, 07:50:19 AM EST
         I see, Mr perception, so the protests did not include - (dmarker) - (41) - Feb. 20, 2003, 08:16:06 AM EST
             Vietnam was a GOOD thing. - (Brandioch) - (27) - Feb. 20, 2003, 09:39:30 AM EST
                 Define communist, then tell me what Bush is up to -NT - (boxley) - (26) - Feb. 20, 2003, 09:42:52 AM EST
                     I have to explain "communism" to you? - (Brandioch) - (25) - Feb. 20, 2003, 09:47:51 AM EST
                         communism is where the state owns the people - (boxley) - (24) - Feb. 20, 2003, 09:51:13 AM EST
                             Now cut that out! - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Feb. 20, 2003, 11:25:40 AM EST
                                 You've just defined Communism into complete nonexistence. - (marlowe) - (6) - Feb. 21, 2003, 03:47:26 PM EST
                                     You OTOH imagine that the USSR was 'communist'.. Shame. -NT - (Ashton) - (5) - Feb. 21, 2003, 09:12:31 PM EST
                                         I suppose I do. - (marlowe) - (4) - Feb. 23, 2003, 04:37:42 PM EST
                                             Clue: They weren't and never claimed to be. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 24, 2003, 11:22:55 AM EST
                                                 It's a shame about Osama's brother. - (marlowe) - (2) - Feb. 24, 2003, 03:35:15 PM EST
                                                     Damn, and I was hoping to take you for a ride. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2003, 05:04:29 PM EST
                                                         Don't waste your time on him/it. - (Silverlock) - Feb. 24, 2003, 09:05:58 PM EST
                             That sounds like Fascism, to me. - (Brandioch) - (15) - Feb. 20, 2003, 01:34:18 PM EST
                                 so name any practicing communist state past or present - (boxley) - (9) - Feb. 20, 2003, 02:17:06 PM EST
                                     Do you mean like a nation, with an army and such? - (Brandioch) - (8) - Feb. 20, 2003, 02:31:03 PM EST
                                         you have posted whose definition of communism? - (boxley) - (7) - Feb. 20, 2003, 03:29:15 PM EST
                                             The "dictionary's" definition. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 20, 2003, 07:04:43 PM EST
                                                 Dictionary eh? - (boxley) - (5) - Feb. 20, 2003, 07:10:22 PM EST
                                                     And this is what is called "smack down". - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 20, 2003, 07:31:46 PM EST
                                                         zing, hook line and sinker - (boxley) - (3) - Feb. 20, 2003, 08:23:20 PM EST
                                                             "Define communist, then tell me what Bush is up to" - (Brandioch) - Feb. 20, 2003, 09:10:48 PM EST
                                                             You'd probably agree, then... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 21, 2003, 01:59:44 PM EST
                                                                 No question s/Communism/Capitalism - (boxley) - Feb. 21, 2003, 02:55:02 PM EST
                                 The only relations btw Totalitarian Socilist and Communist - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Feb. 20, 2003, 03:48:09 PM EST
                                     :-) -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 20, 2003, 04:04:01 PM EST
                                     Yep. "Shepard" and "Sheep" and "mutton". - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2003, 07:08:17 PM EST
                                         Capitalism? *ducks* -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2003, 10:20:26 PM EST
                                             No need to duck. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 20, 2003, 10:37:37 PM EST
             Well then... - (bepatient) - (12) - Feb. 20, 2003, 11:14:21 AM EST
                 You are joking, right? - (Silverlock) - (11) - Feb. 20, 2003, 02:56:58 PM EST
                     Heh. - (bepatient) - (10) - Feb. 20, 2003, 03:22:26 PM EST
                         So he's *not* a conservative? -NT - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 20, 2003, 04:10:33 PM EST
                             Depends, I suppose, on defintion. - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2003, 08:20:08 PM EST
                                 My objection should be easy to grasp - (Silverlock) - Feb. 21, 2003, 09:42:25 AM EST
                                 Re: Depends, I suppose, on definition. <<<< - (Ashton) - Feb. 21, 2003, 06:47:24 PM EST
                         Horowitz - (rcareaga) - (5) - Feb. 21, 2003, 12:01:28 AM EST
                             Actually...he pretty much admits.. - (bepatient) - (4) - Feb. 21, 2003, 12:09:43 AM EST
                                 Re: Actually...he pretty much admits.. - (rcareaga) - (3) - Feb. 21, 2003, 12:16:45 AM EST
                                     Far be it from anyone... - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 21, 2003, 12:33:05 AM EST
                                         Re: Far be it from anyone... - (rcareaga) - (1) - Feb. 21, 2003, 01:15:12 AM EST
                                             Could be over-reacting.. - (bepatient) - Feb. 21, 2003, 06:55:00 AM EST
         Let's attack Sikhs - - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2003, 09:28:21 AM EST
             Oh, never mind... - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2003, 09:29:46 AM EST
                 Was Arizona. -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 20, 2003, 11:15:12 AM EST

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