Post #65,780
11/30/02 6:53:25 PM
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I buried a friend today.
A friend of mine committed suicide this week. Today I went to his memorial. If you're inclined, say a prayer for his son and daughters. If you're not inclined, please take this as a reminder of how frail humans truly are.
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #65,782
11/30/02 6:56:08 PM
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I'm so sorry
Consider it done. My condolences to you as well, Mike.
----- Steve
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Post #65,786
11/30/02 7:25:49 PM
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will do, take care
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Post #65,794
11/30/02 8:02:45 PM
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I feel for you
and I will say a pray for your friend. I had one that killed himself recently and another one who tried a few weeks ago and just got out of the hospital. He said that the online forums he was on were not too kind to him and kind of egged him on to commitn suicide. I hate places and people like that which do not understand depression.
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Post #65,801
11/30/02 8:14:58 PM
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How about a Fest... (new thread)
Created as new thread #65800 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=65800|How about a Fest...]
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Post #65,834
12/1/02 4:34:43 AM
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there ae two types of people in my world
those that I give a fuck about and those I dont. You have just moved from one list to the other with this post. Ignore any email from me and I will not respond to any post or email you make regardless of any pseudo poster you care to assume, bill
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Post #65,846
12/1/02 6:40:37 AM
12/1/02 6:48:34 AM
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Game Over
You just used your last replay token.
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Post #65,827
12/1/02 4:14:23 AM
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That's truly tragic.
My thoughts to you and yours, and the children, at what will now be a difficult time of year.
Look to the living for comfort and remember the dead at their best.
Peter [link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire] [link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal] [link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #65,831
12/1/02 4:19:22 AM
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Condolences
Nothing else to say really.
Take care.
I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
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Post #65,848
12/1/02 8:58:48 AM
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This could be read on several (many?) levels...
...but since I don't know which of them -- if any! -- was intended, I'll read it straight-up-and-down like it's written.
And since I am (as you probably know) of the non-praying type, I can only say what several others here have said already: My condoleances, sympathy for the bereaved including you Mike, "life goes on", etc etc.
Or, to borrow KMS' closing,
Peace.
Christian R. Conrad Mechanisation As our souls are slowly stolen The wheels of progress keep steamrolling Mechanisation melts our minds To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html|© Conrad Parker, 1993]
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Post #65,850
12/1/02 9:54:17 AM
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Interpret as "awkward silence"
I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
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Post #65,869
12/1/02 11:42:38 AM
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Duh, sorry - meant to reply to Mike's original post.
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Post #65,853
12/1/02 10:05:10 AM
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Thanks to all. Your words are appreciated.
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Post #65,866
12/1/02 11:39:43 AM
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I am sorry to hear that
I am going to say a prayer for you and your friend. That other post was not from me, obviously someone trying to frame me or pretend to be me. But let me tell you, right now you need to know that your friend had suffered and now the pain is gone. I don't know what drove your friend to suicide, but I will pray for him. That is all that I can do.
My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.
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Post #65,877
12/1/02 12:05:19 PM
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Sorry for you
Hope your holding up ok.
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Post #65,883
12/1/02 12:54:23 PM
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Sorry, Mike. You're carrying a heavy load.
Having a friend die for health reasons is difficult enough. Having one that takes his life is hard indeed. One always wonders if there was anything one could have known or done. Yet, it's a sad fact that it only takes a moment of losing sight of the "big picture" of life and giving in to the false perceived solution to take a step that cannot be undone.
Alex
"Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these."\t-- Ovid (43 B.C.-A.D. 18)
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Post #65,888
12/1/02 2:35:17 PM
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Wishes for
resilience. Only time seems to work against awfulness.
Ashton
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Post #65,953
12/1/02 11:26:32 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that.
I have no words.
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Post #65,973
12/2/02 3:20:50 AM
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All my best.
Sincere condolences. My thoughts are with ya.
-YendorMike
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Post #65,991
12/2/02 7:40:48 AM
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You are in my thoughts
I have had a number of experiences with friends and aquaintances trying or succeeding at suicide over the years.
My experience is that the pain doesn't go away, it just comes to mind less often as time passes. :-(
Best of luck, Ben
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Post #66,012
12/2/02 9:27:23 AM
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Condolences to all concerned
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Post #66,221
12/2/02 6:23:53 PM
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The dead live in those left behind
...and that's a heavy burden. \r\n\r\n My sympathies, Mike.
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Post #66,223
12/2/02 6:25:00 PM
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My sympathies to you and the family
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #66,226
12/2/02 6:26:51 PM
12/2/02 6:28:14 PM
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Sorry to hear it. My condolences.
--
We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Edited by Arkadiy
Dec. 2, 2002, 06:28:14 PM EST
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Post #66,298
12/2/02 11:31:31 PM
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Re: I buried a friend today.
Well why? Did you see it coming? That is, was it a surprise?
You wonder what would drive a person to do that. It's so pointless. What causes a person to want to erase himself? Is it a backwards kind of grandiosity? "I'll prove how important I am!"
There was an Outer Limits episode called "Don't Open 'Till Doomsday". A one-eyed blob of non-life lives inside a non-space non-time contained in a box, a wedding gift bearing the episode title on the greeting card. People are fascinated by the hum the box emits - and one by one they are drawn to a portal in the side - looking in, they see the non-embodiment of No-thing, and are driven mad.
The thing teleports people into the non-inside of the box, where they cease to exist - no aging, no hunger, no bodily functions - only the eternal probing by the thing - where are my companions? Will you tell me? I am the last component! I am the fundamental frequency! Without me the others are nothing! You must help me find them! We must annihilate existence!
No one - no living human - knows the answer - and finally the thing gets frustrated:
"If I cannot destroy the Universe, then I must un-create myself!"
Not your fault.
-drl
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Post #66,390
12/3/02 10:22:23 AM
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Re: Did you see it coming?
Yes and No. Last summer was a very, very troubling time for him. I was genuinely worried that he might do this last summer. But then he started counseling and seemed to get a little better. He worked for a client of mine with an office near a small airport. Once I flew in there to work. He lived on a lake about a 15 minute flight from his office and asked if I would fly him over his house during lunch the next time I flew in. I told him I would and then the weather up here got really crummy. I saw him the day before he died and he asked me, "When are you going to fly down here again so we can go up and take a look at my house?" It was snowing that day and I said, "We gotta get some good weather. I'm not going to fly in this shit." He just kind of chuckled and said okay. Today is the first beautiful day we've had since then. Visibility > 10, ceiling unlimited, winds light and variable. Just got me thinking, "Damn it. If this hadn't have happened, I could have flown down there today."
This hit me especially hard because 14 years ago I lost my only sibling the same way. He was 25 and I also saw him the day before he shot himself. He never saw my kids. I think it was Ben who said that "it doesn't go away" and he's right on the mark. I also think that people who have been struggling with this kind of depression begin to show outward signs that they are better - after they've made the decision to commit suicide. It's as if they finally see that they can break away from the demons that are haunting them, and the pressure eases up.
I have been deeply depressed at times, even thought about suicide (I think everyone has at some point in their lives). But maybe I'm just too damned stuborn for it. At some basal level I believe I can fix anything, if given enough time. But people who are in enough chaos to do this, I don't understand and hope I never do understand their pain and sense of utter hopelessness.
Thanks again everyone for the kind thoughts and words.
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #66,402
12/3/02 11:08:56 AM
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Erk
and driving home from Thanksgiving, gripping my steering wheel, I thought I had problems.
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