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Post #61,243
by ben_tilly
11/5/02 6:49:25 PM
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New And this differs from any other pair of technologies..how?
Take any technology. I maintain that programmers who are only familiar with that will make characteristic mistakes when asked to perform with any other technology. How many, how big, and what they are depends on the pair of technologies. That there will be some is inevitable.

Cheers,
Ben
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Post #61,329
by dshellman
11/6/02 9:40:09 AM
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New Riding the waves
I completely agree. My point wasn't to make web development and other distributed development models special (I was merely following the example given).

What that means, though, is that for a particular type of technology (whether that's web development, client/server, enterprise integration, etc.) it takes time for the tools to reach a point where inexperienced to non-programmers are able to produce applications quickly and with somewhat acceptable quality (obviously, this is somewhat debatable, hence the *acceptable* quality).

Until tools reach that parity, experienced developers with the technology will be in high demand (assuming the technology is in high demand). From a developer's perspective (a highly skilled one, that is), sticking with a particular technology until it's been "tooled" out isn't necessarily a good idea. Of course, there are some examples for and against this: COBOL, which everyone claimed was dead, is still fairly big (even after the spike in 1998-9); though C (not C++) development has tapered off over the years (being replaced mostly by C++/C#/Java), though still has a fairly large niche (Linux, Unix, drivers, etc.); VB and Delphi relegated PowerBuilder (and to some extent Visual C++) to niche-sized markets; and, of course, even Office, with VBA, macros, Access, etc., has made programmers out of power users. None of this is new, of course.

I guess my point is that, for the past 20 years or so, there have been waves of technologies which have required experienced developers, admins, etc. to scratch a business itch. Those that have ridden those waves have done well (financially), but when they've ridden them too long or too much, it makes it harder to jump onto the next wave (and demand for them has gone down).

Dan
     Hm... sharpen yer virtual pencils - (tseliot) - (49) - Nov. 4, 2002, 05:44:17 PM EST
         Gave my opinion a while back - (drewk) - (41) - Nov. 4, 2002, 06:03:05 PM EST
             Shoot. Missed that whole conversation. - (tseliot) - (11) - Nov. 4, 2002, 07:48:38 PM EST
                 My goal is to automate as much as possible then pass - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 4, 2002, 07:58:12 PM EST
                     Do you feel... - (tseliot) - (1) - Nov. 5, 2002, 12:08:08 AM EST
                         2 of course - (boxley) - Nov. 5, 2002, 10:05:31 AM EST
                 Don't know how to answer that - (drewk) - (7) - Nov. 4, 2002, 08:02:33 PM EST
                     I was interested in the web part. -NT - (tseliot) - (6) - Nov. 5, 2002, 12:03:50 AM EST
                         Well ... - (drewk) - (5) - Nov. 5, 2002, 09:10:34 AM EST
                             Re: Well ... - (dshellman) - (4) - Nov. 5, 2002, 12:39:23 PM EST
                                 I think we've leapfrogged the technology - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 5, 2002, 12:53:02 PM EST
                                     Agreed -NT - (dshellman) - Nov. 5, 2002, 01:11:33 PM EST
                                 And this differs from any other pair of technologies..how? - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 5, 2002, 06:49:25 PM EST
                                     Riding the waves - (dshellman) - Nov. 6, 2002, 09:40:09 AM EST
             That would seem to indicate that... - (CRConrad) - (5) - Nov. 5, 2002, 03:02:31 AM EST
                 What I mean - (drewk) - (4) - Nov. 5, 2002, 08:50:25 AM EST
                     PHP database code? - (tablizer) - (3) - Nov. 7, 2002, 03:21:05 AM EST
                         What I mean by "manually" - (drewk) - (2) - Nov. 7, 2002, 09:43:12 AM EST
                             inter-paradigm translation costs - (tablizer) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2002, 01:15:33 PM EST
                                 Yes -NT - (drewk) - Nov. 7, 2002, 01:23:38 PM EST
             Another take - (wharris2) - (22) - Nov. 5, 2002, 01:58:48 PM EST
                 That's a growing problem at technical schools - (tjsinclair) - (21) - Nov. 5, 2002, 06:47:41 PM EST
                     Reminds me of first computer related course that I took... - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 5, 2002, 07:54:05 PM EST
                     Real Story - (jake123) - (19) - Nov. 5, 2002, 08:04:55 PM EST
                         Don't I wish - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2002, 08:17:24 AM EST
                             Re: Don't I wish - (jake123) - Nov. 6, 2002, 10:44:53 AM EST
                         Web Programming and OO? - (Simon_Jester) - (16) - Nov. 7, 2002, 09:03:38 AM EST
                             Couple of answers - (drewk) - Nov. 7, 2002, 09:27:37 AM EST
                             Javascript is like Python wrt OO - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 7, 2002, 09:34:03 AM EST
                                 re: Javascript is like Python wrt OO - (tablizer) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2002, 02:12:28 PM EST
                                     That wasn't my point. -NT - (admin) - Nov. 7, 2002, 02:07:39 PM EST
                             Functional programming languages - (ChrisR) - Nov. 7, 2002, 10:07:50 AM EST
                             Why OO techniques in web programming - (jake123) - (10) - Nov. 7, 2002, 12:33:32 PM EST
                                 why does that need OO? - (tablizer) - (9) - Nov. 7, 2002, 01:38:12 PM EST
                                     It doesn't. It just makes it a lot easier. - (jake123) - (8) - Nov. 7, 2002, 01:59:09 PM EST
                                         Of course I don't believe you - (tablizer) - (7) - Nov. 7, 2002, 02:22:32 PM EST
                                             Whatever you say, sunshine. -NT - (jake123) - (6) - Nov. 7, 2002, 02:25:22 PM EST
                                                 I was hoping for a technical comparison, not flame-bait -NT - (tablizer) - (5) - Nov. 7, 2002, 02:34:40 PM EST
                                                     Re: I was hoping for a technical comparison, not flame-bait - (jake123) - (4) - Nov. 7, 2002, 03:35:37 PM EST
                                                         Start a new thread if you two get into it :-) - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2002, 03:43:08 PM EST
                                                             Should we put it in the Flame Quarentine section? -NT - (tablizer) - Nov. 7, 2002, 04:21:03 PM EST
                                                         just recursion there - (tablizer) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2002, 09:12:04 PM EST
                                                             Recursion not the point; it's object references (new thread) - (jake123) - Nov. 8, 2002, 12:13:49 PM EST
         Low-level programming - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Nov. 5, 2002, 11:31:07 AM EST
             I don't quite agree. - (static) - (1) - Nov. 5, 2002, 07:52:29 PM EST
                 I was trying to say the same thing. -NT - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 6, 2002, 09:36:18 AM EST
         I don't personally believe in end user programming. - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:40:15 AM EDT
             human factors bust automation goals - (tablizer) - (2) - Nov. 7, 2002, 02:26:20 AM EST
                 Re: human factors bust automation goals - (wharris2) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2002, 03:39:10 PM EST
                     re: Peer Kudos - (tablizer) - Nov. 7, 2002, 05:03:21 PM EST

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