Is this when the wall (excuse me .. barrier) was built?

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Post #59,334

10/25/02 1:14:54 AM

Is this when the wall (excuse me .. barrier) was built?

The Germans under Soviet rule see how much better the Germans in the west live under the Marshall Plan and start moving there. Lots of them move.

The Soviets lock down the borders.

Just wondering.

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Post #59,346

10/25/02 2:01:12 AM

Again, that's a bit complex.

A quick google check to find the specific dates....

1948 - 1949 - The Berlin Blockade. (no barrier, just the roads and railways are blocked)

1949 - Massive population shift from East Germany to West, continues until 1961

1952 - East Germany closes its border with West Germany. Special passes are needed to travel. (no barrier)

The Berlin Wall went up on 16 August 1961.

The border is fully barricaded in the 1960's.

Oh, something I just found while checking the dates...

President Truman's Foreign Service Advisor, George Kennan, developed the concept of "containment" for the Truman Doctrin.

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Hmm paradise.... - (Mike) - (3) - Oct. 22, 2002, 11:49:00 AM EDT

Hell... - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2002, 11:52:07 AM EDT

Now THAT'S funny! LOL -NT - (Mike) - Oct. 22, 2002, 12:01:24 PM EDT

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Here's a counter offer - (marlowe) - (161) - Oct. 22, 2002, 12:14:14 PM EDT

Once again, you "miss" the point. - (Brandioch) - (159) - Oct. 22, 2002, 12:35:12 PM EDT

Been watching the news lately? - (Mike) - (158) - Oct. 22, 2002, 12:54:59 PM EDT

You and Marlowe. Two peas in a pod. - (Brandioch) - (157) - Oct. 22, 2002, 01:06:54 PM EDT

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Fetch-ay la vache!!! -NT - (bepatient) - Oct. 22, 2002, 03:22:39 PM EDT

Re: Non non non -c'est le grand petard - (dmarker) - Oct. 23, 2002, 06:56:34 AM EDT

Priceless - (Mike) - (148) - Oct. 22, 2002, 02:17:25 PM EDT

Re: Priceless - (bepatient) - Oct. 22, 2002, 02:32:10 PM EDT

Tee hee hee. I like it that Bill responded to you. - (Brandioch) - (65) - Oct. 22, 2002, 02:46:26 PM EDT

Excuse me? - (bepatient) - (16) - Oct. 22, 2002, 02:54:42 PM EDT

Did you miss the point? - (Brandioch) - (15) - Oct. 22, 2002, 03:10:22 PM EDT

I never stated anything in this thread... - (bepatient) - Oct. 22, 2002, 03:25:45 PM EDT

Ohhhhhh I see now - (Mike) - (13) - Oct. 22, 2002, 03:35:56 PM EDT

Nice "cover". :) - (Brandioch) - (12) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:14:12 PM EDT

Hard to understand context... - (bepatient) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:16:12 PM EDT

I expect that from you. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:22:13 PM EDT

You are amusing. - (bepatient) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:26:12 PM EDT

Actually - (Mike) - (8) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:38:56 PM EDT

And when you've been beaten and you know it..... - (Brandioch) - (7) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:57:37 PM EDT

Context your honor........ Context......... CONTEXT! - (Mike) - (4) - Oct. 22, 2002, 06:20:19 PM EDT

No, now you need "reading with comprehension". - (Brandioch) - (3) - Oct. 22, 2002, 06:47:12 PM EDT

Yes - (Mike) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2002, 08:09:51 PM EDT

And... - (Mike) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2002, 08:12:16 PM EDT

And... - (Mike) - Oct. 22, 2002, 08:13:10 PM EDT

Rofl wonder how long he will right shift before he realizes - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2002, 10:30:46 PM EDT

I don't mind losing a battle to Brandi - (Mike) - Oct. 23, 2002, 12:17:52 AM EDT

Oh god.......... new lows. - (Mike) - (47) - Oct. 22, 2002, 03:28:01 PM EDT

Nah...he's been there before. - (bepatient) - Oct. 22, 2002, 03:42:31 PM EDT

Which is it? - (Brandioch) - (45) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:19:40 PM EDT

Ah...using that to do what... - (bepatient) - (44) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:22:59 PM EDT

Nice try. - (Brandioch) - (43) - Oct. 22, 2002, 06:14:31 PM EDT

Hmmmmmm - (Mike) - (42) - Oct. 22, 2002, 06:22:21 PM EDT

THREE! - (Brandioch) - (41) - Oct. 22, 2002, 06:49:08 PM EDT

Excuse me moron...but thats hockey... - (bepatient) - (40) - Oct. 23, 2002, 08:02:45 AM EDT

Was that "moron" you said? To me? - (Brandioch) - (39) - Oct. 23, 2002, 04:37:49 PM EDT

'Hat Trick' I first heard re motorcycle GP racing, - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2002, 04:58:01 PM EDT

Cricket. - (ChrisR) - Oct. 23, 2002, 05:04:16 PM EDT

Yes it was... - (bepatient) - (36) - Oct. 23, 2002, 05:44:55 PM EDT

Hee hee hee. - (Brandioch) - (35) - Oct. 23, 2002, 06:24:35 PM EDT

Ahhhh...thee of massive experience. - (bepatient) - (34) - Oct. 23, 2002, 08:06:34 PM EDT

So you claim. - (Brandioch) - (33) - Oct. 24, 2002, 02:33:29 AM EDT

Classic - (bepatient) - (32) - Oct. 24, 2002, 07:39:42 AM EDT

That would be you. - (Brandioch) - (30) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:40:47 PM EDT

Classic Part 2 - (bepatient) - (29) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:09:38 PM EDT

I think I've demonstrated this sufficiently. - (Brandioch) - (28) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:19:29 PM EDT

Don't have it... - (bepatient) - (7) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:38:12 PM EDT

Knock off the lies. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Oct. 24, 2002, 02:43:23 PM EDT

Nope. - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:27:17 PM EDT

I've already established your problems with context. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2002, 04:15:48 PM EDT

*fap* -NT - (pwhysall) - Oct. 24, 2002, 04:23:55 PM EDT

rofl -NT - (bepatient) - Oct. 24, 2002, 05:01:03 PM EDT

Gonna be a dental floss tycoon? - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:19:46 PM EDT

Bingo! Gonna be wearing my Python Boots too. - (bepatient) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:29:15 PM EDT

I back it up with facts LMAO - (Mike) - (19) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:39:21 PM EDT

Mike == clueless. - (Brandioch) - (18) - Oct. 24, 2002, 04:39:02 PM EDT

Bad logic, bad facts - (Mike) - (17) - Oct. 24, 2002, 05:29:48 PM EDT

So you say. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Oct. 24, 2002, 06:03:02 PM EDT

Jeez, will you *never* let go? - (wharris2) - (15) - Oct. 24, 2002, 08:46:31 PM EDT

I'm sorry, was I talking to you? - (Brandioch) - (14) - Oct. 24, 2002, 10:58:49 PM EDT

Because the S/N ratio in here is abyssmal - (admin) - (13) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:09:14 PM EDT

And he was improving it? yes/no? - (Brandioch) - (12) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:27:53 PM EDT

are you insinuating I am not improving it? - (boxley) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:29:37 PM EDT

He was attempting to. - (admin) - (10) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:30:31 PM EDT

Futile hope, I'm afraid, Scott. - (wharris2) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:37:21 PM EDT

Allow me to make this perfectly clear. - (Brandioch) - (8) - Oct. 25, 2002, 12:03:55 AM EDT

"I do not subscribe to political correctness." - (Silverlock) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2002, 12:16:18 AM EDT

Check my reply to your other post. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Oct. 25, 2002, 01:10:25 AM EDT

point to a single example. - (Silverlock) - (1) - Oct. 25, 2002, 01:18:24 AM EDT

Those specific words? - (Brandioch) - Oct. 25, 2002, 02:13:12 AM EDT

That much is obvious. - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2002, 09:18:09 AM EDT

Let me put this in small words. - (Brandioch) - Oct. 25, 2002, 12:15:06 PM EDT

Re: That much is obvious. - (wharris2) - (1) - Oct. 25, 2002, 04:39:25 PM EDT

Tell me about it. - (admin) - Oct. 25, 2002, 05:03:34 PM EDT

All in all... - (screamer) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:12:36 PM EDT

Re: In defense of Brandioch - (dmarker) - (80) - Oct. 23, 2002, 08:37:42 AM EDT

Thanks - (Mike) - Oct. 23, 2002, 09:29:07 AM EDT

ROFLMAO. - (bepatient) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2002, 10:14:58 AM EDT

Re: To you ? maybe - (dmarker) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2002, 10:43:43 AM EDT

I'm sure there will be times... - (bepatient) - Oct. 23, 2002, 10:55:43 AM EDT

Re: In defense of Brandioch - (deSitter) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2002, 11:36:45 AM EDT

Experimentation, yes. Intuition, never. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2002, 04:40:25 PM EDT

Didn't think I had it in me, did you Mr. Spock? -NT - (deSitter) - Oct. 23, 2002, 08:53:18 PM EDT

Re: In defense of Brandioch - (Ashton) - Oct. 23, 2002, 04:43:53 PM EDT

On liars... and grammatical tyrants... - (screamer) - (71) - Oct. 23, 2002, 05:22:45 PM EDT

Thoughts - (Mike) - (5) - Oct. 23, 2002, 06:16:51 PM EDT

I'm actually a fan of his style in other fora... - (screamer) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2002, 06:48:29 PM EDT

I won't be holding my breath ;-) -NT - (bepatient) - Oct. 23, 2002, 08:51:52 PM EDT

Awww, is the big bad man being mean to you? - (Brandioch) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2002, 07:14:59 PM EDT

Typical. - (wharris2) - Oct. 23, 2002, 11:51:47 PM EDT

Yes <snif> - (Mike) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:01:38 AM EDT

Care to link to that? - (Brandioch) - (64) - Oct. 23, 2002, 07:03:26 PM EDT

Oh you need a link? - (boxley) - (4) - Oct. 23, 2002, 07:18:00 PM EDT

Am I missing something? - (Brandioch) - (3) - Oct. 24, 2002, 02:13:56 AM EDT

He did have a "me dux". I think that means... - (Another Scott) - Oct. 24, 2002, 08:27:44 AM EDT

I did a search based on hopefully all of your posts :-) - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2002, 09:44:55 AM EDT

Ah. I see now. - (Brandioch) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:26:41 PM EDT

Thank you... - (screamer) - (57) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:53:39 AM EDT

You have the same pattern as always. - (Brandioch) - (56) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:17:48 AM EDT

Enough already - (Silverlock) - (5) - Oct. 24, 2002, 10:00:27 AM EDT

You left out the OTHER bits. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:44:43 PM EDT

Smile - (Mike) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:04:27 PM EDT

This sketch is just silly </Monty Python> - (Silverlock) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:48:35 PM EDT

The Larch. - (pwhysall) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:55:14 PM EDT

A man with three buttocks -NT - (snork) - Oct. 24, 2002, 02:20:10 PM EDT

Last chance... - (screamer) - (9) - Oct. 24, 2002, 10:46:19 AM EDT

Mon Dieu... - (bepatient) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:21:14 AM EDT

Awww, are you having trouble with your memory? - (Brandioch) - (6) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:10:46 PM EDT

Better conclusion - (Mike) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:52:19 PM EDT

Thank you again... - (screamer) - (4) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:07:40 PM EDT

Claim whatever you want. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:49:07 PM EDT

Deny, deny, deny - (Mike) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2002, 04:34:15 PM EDT

What are you denying? -NT - (Brandioch) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2002, 06:56:29 PM EDT

????????????? - (Mike) - Oct. 25, 2002, 12:26:29 AM EDT

FYI - (Mike) - Oct. 24, 2002, 04:42:11 PM EDT

non sequiter - (ChrisR) - (35) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:48:36 AM EDT

(grumble) non sequitur (no hyphen) -NT - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:02:46 PM EDT

At least I left the hyphen out. :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:09:30 PM EDT

Again. - (Brandioch) - (31) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:47:15 PM EDT

I recommend.... - (Mike) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:33:36 PM EDT

Language is not mathematics - (ChrisR) - (29) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:36:03 PM EDT

Good post - (Silverlock) - Oct. 24, 2002, 02:03:53 PM EDT

That was my point. - (Brandioch) - (27) - Oct. 24, 2002, 02:29:05 PM EDT

...and ceramic composites -NT - (altmann) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:22:53 PM EDT

Repitition is tedious - (ChrisR) - (25) - Oct. 24, 2002, 03:24:05 PM EDT

Thanks for seeing my point. - (Brandioch) - (24) - Oct. 24, 2002, 04:07:43 PM EDT

Strawman - (ChrisR) - (11) - Oct. 24, 2002, 05:02:47 PM EDT

Please take some time and take some courses. - (Brandioch) - (10) - Oct. 24, 2002, 06:08:32 PM EDT

Pardon me. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2002, 09:12:19 PM EDT

I value your opinion. - (Brandioch) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:07:18 PM EDT

If I tell you that fence is a wall and I will shoot you if - (boxley) - Oct. 24, 2002, 09:16:32 PM EDT

That's not an argument... - (ChrisR) - (6) - Oct. 25, 2002, 01:15:06 PM EDT

Again, - (Brandioch) - (5) - Oct. 25, 2002, 02:21:13 PM EDT

Rinse, Wash, Repeat - (ChrisR) - (4) - Oct. 25, 2002, 02:37:36 PM EDT

I'm breaking this down for you. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2002, 02:37:20 PM EDT

The subsets are interchangeable.... - (ChrisR) - (2) - Oct. 25, 2002, 03:16:13 PM EDT

Chris, you're arguing with an intractible ***hole. -NT - (wharris2) - Oct. 25, 2002, 05:09:17 PM EDT

You might want to ask yourself a question. - (Brandioch) - Oct. 25, 2002, 05:17:08 PM EDT

One last time... SLOWLY... - (screamer) - (11) - Oct. 24, 2002, 05:38:27 PM EDT

Still there with the lies? - (Brandioch) - (10) - Oct. 24, 2002, 06:18:42 PM EDT

-----oooOOOooo---- -NT - (screamer) - (9) - Oct. 24, 2002, 06:21:59 PM EDT

I expected that from you. - (Brandioch) - (8) - Oct. 24, 2002, 06:28:49 PM EDT

This is beyond tiresome - (Silverlock) - (7) - Oct. 24, 2002, 10:04:49 PM EDT

The issue has been addressed. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:13:46 PM EDT

One time only - (Silverlock) - (5) - Oct. 25, 2002, 12:02:40 AM EDT

Okay, this might seem a bit complicated. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Oct. 25, 2002, 01:07:12 AM EDT

Is this when the wall (excuse me .. barrier) was built? - (Silverlock) - (1) - Oct. 25, 2002, 01:14:54 AM EDT

Again, that's a bit complex. - (Brandioch) - Oct. 25, 2002, 02:01:12 AM EDT

"The Iron Curtain" - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 25, 2002, 05:00:52 AM EDT

Re: "The Iron Curtain" - (wharris2) - Oct. 25, 2002, 04:49:12 PM EDT

Re: non sequiter - (wharris2) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:59:10 PM EDT

Give it a rest. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Oct. 24, 2002, 11:50:53 AM EDT

You don't understand. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:50:13 PM EDT

*fap*fap*fap*fap* -NT - (pwhysall) - Oct. 24, 2002, 12:57:30 PM EDT

Just don't get any on your tie. -NT - (Mike) - Oct. 24, 2002, 01:42:25 PM EDT

Re: Care to link to that? - (admin) - Oct. 25, 2002, 09:32:21 AM EDT

Re: Out of touch with world in NY City ... - (dmarker2) - Oct. 22, 2002, 07:32:52 PM EDT

Gentlemen! Gentlemen!___fighting in the War Room? - (Ashton) - (3) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:05:30 PM EDT

C'mon... - (bepatient) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:13:49 PM EDT

Yes: sensory deprivation is part of the Remorse Training. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:17:05 PM EDT

It'll be awfully hard to get in the mood... - (bepatient) - Oct. 22, 2002, 05:19:26 PM EDT

Re: An open offer to Marlowe & Mike - (wharris2) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2002, 09:07:12 PM EDT

Re: Sorry, please forgive, offer extended ... - (dmarker) - Oct. 22, 2002, 09:56:47 PM EDT

Nelson is one of those insulting, conceited, impatient, coffee-drinking, cell-phone-using, Jaguar-driving advertising executives that you find in only two places: the movies and real life. His motto is: Speed up and smell the coffee.
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