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New Last chance...
Look, shit for brains, I know who I am and where I was. You have demonstrated nothing but your own ignorance in this and many threads. In your words "The fact that you thought there was a wall running all the way along the East/West German border means that you were not there (there being at the border)."

The fact is, I was there and I knew there was a wall/barrier/fence/guarded area/whateverthefuckyouwishtoparseitas running down the entire length of the country because I was there and on the border as a Russian linguist. This is what I am trying to tell you. Your logic is flawed. You surmise that I was not there because I do not agree with your circuitous parsing and twisting of English. In the context of the original post, I never mentioned Berlin or the Berlin Wall (or Field Station Berlin, Checkpoint Charlie, the Brandenburg Gate, Kudamstrasse)... YOU DID. I was in Berlin for only a brief period of time. I said that the Russians were so paranoid of a reunified Germany that they build a wall through the entire country. You had nothing intelligent to rebut that premise with so you started parsing the definition of what a wall is. I called you ridiculous and left it alone.

When I finally had a chance to catch up on these fora, I saw that more noise came out of that exchange. I was willing to let it die, but when you accuse me of being a liar about my own background, that's another kettle of fish. You need to step back. Got it. You are fucking wrong, you were then and even more so now and if you would be so kind to admit it and apologize, I will let this go. If not, I'll treat you like the Michel Merlin you have become ----oooooOOOOOoooooo-----
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me


J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
New Mon Dieu...
the Merlin guantlet!

You >are< serious ;)

You have one up on me...since you are ex-DOD you can qualify for international expert...I can't since I wasn't military and didn't have PX priviledges;-)

C'mon Dan...don't let him drag you there...he's not interested in right or wrong, truth or fallacy any longer...he's only trying to get under your skin.

Oh...and you were right (hee hee) about needing someone to challenge my politics...if I wasn't here (and severely exaggerating in many cases)...the politics forum would list very hard to port very quickly.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Awww, are you having trouble with your memory?
Look, shit for brains, I know who I am and where I was.
#1. I never said ANYTHING about who you were.

#2. You might have been "there" (geographically) but not "there" at the border when it was a border.

Nice little twist you tried, again.

You have demonstrated nothing but your own ignorance in this and many threads.
That's right. I make a statement and post photographic proof and I'm the one that is ignorant?

This must be one of your new definitions of "ignorant". Like "wall".

In your words "The fact that you thought there was a wall running all the way along the East/West German border means that you were not there (there being at the border)."
Yes. And I still stand by them. Duh!

The fact is, I was there and I knew there was a wall/barrier/fence/guarded area/whateverthefuckyouwishtoparseitas running down the entire length of the country because I was there and on the border as a Russian linguist.
Ah, note how you start altering your statements once I provide photographic evidence that is counter to your claims.

You alter your claim to include the evidence I presented.

And you get upset at me for providing the photographic evidence that refuted your previous claim.

This is what I am trying to tell you. Your logic is flawed.
Yes, that is what you are trying to tell me.

That is so you can hide from the fact that you were caught in a lie.

wall == barrier
-and-
fence == barrier
-therefore-
wall == fence

And you are trying to say that I am the one with the flawed logic?

That works in math, but not in english. And I have to explain this to an adult?

You surmise that I was not there because I do not agree with your circuitous parsing and twisting of English.
No. I deduce that you were not at the border when there was a border there because you're claiming to have seen something that was not there.

But it is my "circuitious parsing and twisting of English"?

I seem to recall that it was YOU who is trying to claim that a wall is a fence.

In the context of the original post, I never mentioned Berlin or the Berlin Wall (or Field Station Berlin, Checkpoint Charlie, the Brandenburg Gate, Kudamstrasse)... YOU DID.
Bzzzzzttttt!!!!!

Incorrect. I did NOT mention:

#1. Field Station Berlin
#2. the Brandenburg Gate
#3. Kudamstrasse

Is it even POSSIBLE for you to stick to the facts?

Is this problem with the truth a psychological one for you?

I said that the Russians were so paranoid of a reunified Germany that they build a wall through the entire country. You had nothing intelligent to rebut that premise with so you started parsing the definition of what a wall is.
No. You asked if I had ever left Berlin because the FUCKING WALL (your words) ran through the entire country.

Now, the wall in Berlin was a wall.

There wasn't a wall through Germany.

Anyone who would THINK there was a wall through Germany was NOT at the border.

You are fucking wrong, you were then and even more so now and if you would be so kind to admit it and apologize, I will let this go.
I'm so happy you feel that way. I'm sorry you're a liar. I'm sorry this problem is pathological with you. I'm sorry you feel that the only way you can make a point is through lies and semantic games.

There, willing to let it drop now?
New Better conclusion
>>Anyone who would THINK there was a wall through Germany was NOT at the border.

Better yet:
Anyone who slips up and uses the word "wall" inadvertently.....will have
their history rewritten on their behalf.

I cite the prior posts as evidence.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
New Thank you again...
crackhead, for you have (unwittingly) given me a chance to tie this neatly together. I can now summarize the meta of this whole debate as "are we (the US/UN) justified in using force against Iraq?" With your help, I have come to the conclusion that appeasement of tyrants (be they minor tyrants with keyboards or major tyrants with armies and weapons of mass destruction) is not a good long term strategy, it just seems to embolden them. A non response is regarded as tacit approval. I was too busy working to respond to your tiring posting style and "left it alone"... A few weeks goes by and I rejoin to find that your hands have not remained "idle" nor have you had any gestalts... In other words, you haven't changed, in fact you've been very busy - much like I suspect that Saddam Hussein has been.

You just keep repeating the same manta and doublespeak - much like governments do. For (goodandplenty, goodandplenty, goodandplenty) repetition is sometimes an effective brainwashing technique. When called out on it, you simply do Pavlovian more of same... I will give you high points for consistency at least.

But, I digress... I conclude (brazenly - hardly a "random sample" or high population :-) ) that appeasement, as a strategy, is not effective. I think that it only emboldens the adversary. Sincere thanks for the insight and, unlike you, I could be wrong...

and you really should start practicing using the following separator in your posts: ----oooooOOooooooo------

Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
and build them a home a little place of their own
the fletcher memorial
home for incurable tyrants and kings

and they can appears to themselves every day
on closed circut t.v.
to make sure their still real
it's the only connection they feel
"ladies and gentlemen, please welcome reagan and heig
mr. begin and friend mrs. thatcher and paisley
mr. brezhnev and party
the ghost of nixon
and now adding colour a group of anonymous latin
american meat packing glitterati"

did they expect us to treat them with any respect

they can polish their medals and sharpen their
smails, and amuse themselves playing games for a while
boom boom, bang bang, lie down your dead

safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
with their favourite toys
they'll be good girls and boys
in the fletcher memorial home for colonial
wasters of life and limb

is everyone in?
are you having a nice time?
now the final solution can be applied


R. Waters - the fletcher memorial home
New Claim whatever you want.
The facts are, you have lied about a wall that wasn't there, you have lied about me bring up other areas in Germany, you have lied about me defending tyrants.

But that does NOT make you a liar.

Because you know what you are.

And it is my problem if I want to stick to the facts.
New Deny, deny, deny
[link|http://www.ddr5.homestead.com/files/gm/gm.html|Inner Germany Border Museum]

[link|http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3080/aug13.htm|Wall at M\ufffddlenreuth]

Extract:
Our excursion today brought us to the former East-West German border to a little village called M\ufffddlenreuth which has left part of the wall standing as a museum. This village was divided in half by the inner-German wall, one very similar to that in Berlin.

I tactfully suggest that this may be a good time drop the issue.

-Mike
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Expand Edited by Mike Oct. 24, 2002, 04:34:15 PM EDT
New What are you denying?
New ?????????????
Okay moron...gonna have ta start a new thread for this one :-)
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
New FYI
[link|http://www.ddr5.homestead.com/files/gm/gm.html|Inner Germany Border Museum]
[link|http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3080/aug13.htm|Wall at M\ufffddlenreuth]

I think its okay to say wall :-)

-Mike
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
     An open offer to Marlowe & Mike - (dmarker) - (177)
         I'll do it provided you give me a week in HK instead :-) -NT - (boxley)
         And your point is? - (ChrisR) - (3)
             Re: The point is - (dmarker) - (2)
                 Anti-Americanism is not new - (ChrisR) - (1)
                     Re: Good points & some contentions - (dmarker)
         Hmm paradise.... - (Mike) - (3)
             Hell... - (bepatient) - (1)
                 Now THAT'S funny! LOL -NT - (Mike)
             Re: Mike, here is a *fair* counter offer - (dmarker2)
         Here's a counter offer - (marlowe) - (161)
             Once again, you "miss" the point. - (Brandioch) - (159)
                 Been watching the news lately? - (Mike) - (158)
                     You and Marlowe. Two peas in a pod. - (Brandioch) - (157)
                         Just like the French...right? - (bepatient) - (7)
                             all those in favor of invading france raise your hands - (boxley) - (6)
                                 /me raises hands - (bepatient) - (1)
                                     Yeu shall neut have eur women or eur croissants! -NT - (deSitter)
                                 And they speak English with an outrajus accent. -NT - (Mike)
                                 Yeu stupide fewl! I fart in yeur generale direction! -NT - (deSitter) - (2)
                                     Fetch-ay la vache!!! -NT - (bepatient)
                                     Re: Non non non -c'est le grand petard - (dmarker)
                         Priceless - (Mike) - (148)
                             Re: Priceless - (bepatient)
                             Tee hee hee. I like it that Bill responded to you. - (Brandioch) - (65)
                                 Excuse me? - (bepatient) - (16)
                                     Did you miss the point? - (Brandioch) - (15)
                                         I never stated anything in this thread... - (bepatient)
                                         Ohhhhhh I see now - (Mike) - (13)
                                             Nice "cover". :) - (Brandioch) - (12)
                                                 Hard to understand context... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                     I expect that from you. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                         You are amusing. - (bepatient)
                                                 Actually - (Mike) - (8)
                                                     And when you've been beaten and you know it..... - (Brandioch) - (7)
                                                         Context your honor........ Context......... CONTEXT! - (Mike) - (4)
                                                             No, now you need "reading with comprehension". - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                                                 Yes - (Mike) - (2)
                                                                     And... - (Mike) - (1)
                                                                         And... - (Mike)
                                                         Rofl wonder how long he will right shift before he realizes - (boxley) - (1)
                                                             I don't mind losing a battle to Brandi - (Mike)
                                 Oh god.......... new lows. - (Mike) - (47)
                                     Nah...he's been there before. - (bepatient)
                                     Which is it? - (Brandioch) - (45)
                                         Ah...using that to do what... - (bepatient) - (44)
                                             Nice try. - (Brandioch) - (43)
                                                 Hmmmmmm - (Mike) - (42)
                                                     THREE! - (Brandioch) - (41)
                                                         Excuse me moron...but thats hockey... - (bepatient) - (40)
                                                             Was that "moron" you said? To me? - (Brandioch) - (39)
                                                                 'Hat Trick' I first heard re motorcycle GP racing, - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                     Cricket. - (ChrisR)
                                                                 Yes it was... - (bepatient) - (36)
                                                                     Hee hee hee. - (Brandioch) - (35)
                                                                         Ahhhh...thee of massive experience. - (bepatient) - (34)
                                                                             So you claim. - (Brandioch) - (33)
                                                                                 Classic - (bepatient) - (32)
                                                                                     That would be you. - (Brandioch) - (30)
                                                                                         Classic Part 2 - (bepatient) - (29)
                                                                                             I think I've demonstrated this sufficiently. - (Brandioch) - (28)
                                                                                                 Don't have it... - (bepatient) - (7)
                                                                                                     Knock off the lies. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                                                                         Nope. - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                             I've already established your problems with context. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                                                                                                 *fap* -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                                                                                 rofl -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                                                     Gonna be a dental floss tycoon? - (screamer) - (1)
                                                                                                         Bingo! Gonna be wearing my Python Boots too. - (bepatient)
                                                                                                 I back it up with facts LMAO - (Mike) - (19)
                                                                                                     Mike == clueless. - (Brandioch) - (18)
                                                                                                         Bad logic, bad facts - (Mike) - (17)
                                                                                                             So you say. - (Brandioch) - (16)
                                                                                                                 Jeez, will you *never* let go? - (wharris2) - (15)
                                                                                                                     I'm sorry, was I talking to you? - (Brandioch) - (14)
                                                                                                                         Because the S/N ratio in here is abyssmal - (admin) - (13)
                                                                                                                             And he was improving it? yes/no? - (Brandioch) - (12)
                                                                                                                                 are you insinuating I am not improving it? - (boxley)
                                                                                                                                 He was attempting to. - (admin) - (10)
                                                                                                                                     Futile hope, I'm afraid, Scott. - (wharris2)
                                                                                                                                     Allow me to make this perfectly clear. - (Brandioch) - (8)
                                                                                                                                         "I do not subscribe to political correctness." - (Silverlock) - (3)
                                                                                                                                             Check my reply to your other post. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                 point to a single example. - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                     Those specific words? - (Brandioch)
                                                                                                                                         That much is obvious. - (admin) - (3)
                                                                                                                                             Let me put this in small words. - (Brandioch)
                                                                                                                                             Re: That much is obvious. - (wharris2) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                 Tell me about it. - (admin)
                                                                                     All in all... - (screamer)
                             Re: In defense of Brandioch - (dmarker) - (80)
                                 Thanks - (Mike)
                                 ROFLMAO. - (bepatient) - (2)
                                     Re: To you ? maybe - (dmarker) - (1)
                                         I'm sure there will be times... - (bepatient)
                                 Re: In defense of Brandioch - (deSitter) - (2)
                                     Experimentation, yes. Intuition, never. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                         Didn't think I had it in me, did you Mr. Spock? -NT - (deSitter)
                                 Re: In defense of Brandioch - (Ashton)
                                 On liars... and grammatical tyrants... - (screamer) - (71)
                                     Thoughts - (Mike) - (5)
                                         I'm actually a fan of his style in other fora... - (screamer) - (1)
                                             I won't be holding my breath ;-) -NT - (bepatient)
                                         Awww, is the big bad man being mean to you? - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                             Typical. - (wharris2)
                                             Yes <snif> - (Mike)
                                     Care to link to that? - (Brandioch) - (64)
                                         Oh you need a link? - (boxley) - (4)
                                             Am I missing something? - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                                 He did have a "me dux". I think that means... - (Another Scott)
                                                 I did a search based on hopefully all of your posts :-) - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     Ah. I see now. - (Brandioch)
                                         Thank you... - (screamer) - (57)
                                             You have the same pattern as always. - (Brandioch) - (56)
                                                 Enough already - (Silverlock) - (5)
                                                     You left out the OTHER bits. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                         Smile - (Mike)
                                                         This sketch is just silly </Monty Python> - (Silverlock) - (2)
                                                             The Larch. - (pwhysall)
                                                             A man with three buttocks -NT - (snork)
                                                 Last chance... - (screamer) - (9)
                                                     Mon Dieu... - (bepatient)
                                                     Awww, are you having trouble with your memory? - (Brandioch) - (6)
                                                         Better conclusion - (Mike)
                                                         Thank you again... - (screamer) - (4)
                                                             Claim whatever you want. - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                                                 Deny, deny, deny - (Mike) - (2)
                                                                     What are you denying? -NT - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                         ????????????? - (Mike)
                                                     FYI - (Mike)
                                                 non sequiter - (ChrisR) - (35)
                                                     (grumble) non sequitur (no hyphen) -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                         At least I left the hyphen out. :-) -NT - (ChrisR)
                                                     Again. - (Brandioch) - (31)
                                                         I recommend.... - (Mike)
                                                         Language is not mathematics - (ChrisR) - (29)
                                                             Good post - (Silverlock)
                                                             That was my point. - (Brandioch) - (27)
                                                                 ...and ceramic composites -NT - (altmann)
                                                                 Repitition is tedious - (ChrisR) - (25)
                                                                     Thanks for seeing my point. - (Brandioch) - (24)
                                                                         Strawman - (ChrisR) - (11)
                                                                             Please take some time and take some courses. - (Brandioch) - (10)
                                                                                 Pardon me. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                     I value your opinion. - (Brandioch)
                                                                                 If I tell you that fence is a wall and I will shoot you if - (boxley)
                                                                                 That's not an argument... - (ChrisR) - (6)
                                                                                     Again, - (Brandioch) - (5)
                                                                                         Rinse, Wash, Repeat - (ChrisR) - (4)
                                                                                             I'm breaking this down for you. - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                                                                                 The subsets are interchangeable.... - (ChrisR) - (2)
                                                                                                     Chris, you're arguing with an intractible ***hole. -NT - (wharris2)
                                                                                                     You might want to ask yourself a question. - (Brandioch)
                                                                         One last time... SLOWLY... - (screamer) - (11)
                                                                             Still there with the lies? - (Brandioch) - (10)
                                                                                 -----oooOOOooo---- -NT - (screamer) - (9)
                                                                                     I expected that from you. - (Brandioch) - (8)
                                                                                         This is beyond tiresome - (Silverlock) - (7)
                                                                                             The issue has been addressed. - (Brandioch) - (6)
                                                                                                 One time only - (Silverlock) - (5)
                                                                                                     Okay, this might seem a bit complicated. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                                                                                         Is this when the wall (excuse me .. barrier) was built? - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                                                                                             Again, that's a bit complex. - (Brandioch)
                                                                                                     "The Iron Curtain" - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                                                         Re: "The Iron Curtain" - (wharris2)
                                                     Re: non sequiter - (wharris2)
                                                 Give it a rest. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                     You don't understand. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                                         *fap*fap*fap*fap* -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                         Just don't get any on your tie. -NT - (Mike)
                                         Re: Care to link to that? - (admin)
             Re: Out of touch with world in NY City ... - (dmarker2)
         Gentlemen! Gentlemen!___fighting in the War Room? - (Ashton) - (3)
             C'mon... - (bepatient) - (2)
                 Yes: sensory deprivation is part of the Remorse Training. -NT - (Ashton) - (1)
                     It'll be awfully hard to get in the mood... - (bepatient)
         Re: An open offer to Marlowe & Mike - (wharris2) - (1)
             Re: Sorry, please forgive, offer extended ... - (dmarker)

...and if a hundred!
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