Don't have it...

Post #59,123 by bepatient 10/24/02 1:38:12 PM Reply	Don't have it... ....and your link did nothing to prove a grounding of the ops. It talked about when they were grounded. (Pre-Bush) It talked about them being retrofitted. It discussed final testing was complete (after 2 more months) Then the next thing you know...there are news articles talking about how drones are back in theater. Remarkably anti-US centric. But you can pretend anything you want...you always do. On your "proof" of drones Your link says... Sept/Oct they stop. Feb they're in Nevada. ( 5 months) April their done testing. Assuming >instantaneous< approval of redeployment (you are military and implying this is even remotely possible would be horribly suspect) so to get them back in theater would take, presumably the same 5 months it took to get them out. You still end up with them out of operation until after 9/11. And links have been provided to show they are indeed being used at that point. So barring a report that Bush stated they were NOT to be used...simple timelines applied to >your< link disprove your position. Yet it remains up to me to disprove your >assertion< that Bush grounded the ops. But you only state things backed with >facts<. I know context. I also know pattern. Called upon it...you will hold yourself to lesser standards than you hold others. This is all that the point was meant to prove. I think it worked. I may have a posting lull tonight btw...considering I have to ref a couple of soccer games tonight. How horribly US centric of me to miss the World Series for that "gosh dern ferner" game. I'll be moving to Montana soon. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,147 by Brandioch 10/24/02 2:43:23 PM Reply	Knock off the lies. It also stated exactly where the project was introduced to Bush and turned down. Bush said not to use the drones. This was documented and in the link I provided. Because it doesn't match your viewpoint, you keep claiming it wasn't there. Sept/Oct they stop. Feb they're in Nevada. ( 5 months) April their done testing. Assuming >instantaneous< approval of redeployment (you are military and implying this is even remotely possible would be horribly suspect) so to get them back in theater would take, presumably the same 5 months it took to get them out. No, to try to "support" your position, you add the TESTING time to the TRAVEL time and claim that it would take that long to move them back. Fine, but that assumes that retrofitting and testing took ZERO time. Bzzzzt!
Post #59,157 by bepatient 10/24/02 3:27:17 PM Reply	Nope. Op/Ed piece that claimed Rumsfeld did it...to back an assertion that Bush did it countered by the actual reports that showed the actual problems... And no. Retrofitting and testing is Feb-April from one account and following (from your links) an account pushing that back to August. So. It took Sept to Feb (5 months) to get from theater to Nevada. Testing Feb to April (or worse...August)...how long to get back? Gee...your generosity gives them weeks. [link\|http://www.azstarnet.com/attack/indepth/id-CIAdrones.html\|http://www.azstarnet...id-CIAdrones.html] By early spring this year, the CIA had brought the Predators back to the United States and was actively pushing the Air Force to equip them with Hellfire missiles for a possible redeployment in Afghanistan. Tests in Nevada dragged on through the summer as technicians tried to refine the plane's ability to fire accurately at targets from high altitudes. By August, officials say, the kinks had been worked out and the planes were ready to go. But even then, the Bush administration was riddled with doubts about whether it wanted to go forward with a new, more forceful mission over Afghanistan. The risks, officials say, were huge. Top Bush Cabinet officials convened several times in late summer to discuss the pros and cons of going forward. Even >worse< for your case because it pushes mission readiness of the drones into August. I see..."riddled with doubts" is the same as ordering them grounded. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,180 by Brandioch 10/24/02 4:15:48 PM Reply	I've already established your problems with context. I see..."riddled with doubts" is the same as ordering them grounded. In this instance, it is. They were presented with a system that they refused to deploy. They refused to deploy it because they were "riddled with doubts" about it. The action is refusing to deploy the drones. The reason for the action is they were riddled with doubts. I say that Bush took a specific action. You are focusing on the reason why he took that specific action and trying to claim the reason is the action. Bzzzzzt! You're wrong again!
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Post #59,201 by bepatient 10/24/02 5:01:03 PM Reply	rofl You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,155 by screamer 10/24/02 3:19:46 PM Reply	Gonna be a dental floss tycoon? Or a mental toss flycoon? Just me and the pygmy pony over by the dental floss bush... (thanks Frank Z) Bill... It's over... Just practice this sign (with sincere apologies to Michel Merlin) whenever you post with ... youknowho -----ooooOOOooooo----- Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #59,158 by bepatient 10/24/02 3:29:15 PM Reply	Bingo! Gonna be wearing my Python Boots too. Yeah...might as well let Nanook Rub it;) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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