Nice try.

Post #58,513 by Brandioch 10/22/02 6:14:31 PM Reply	Nice try. I tell Marlowe that he's wrong because he missed the point. Mike thinks I'm wrong because Mike can't parse "friendly" (quotes included). I tell Mike that he's wrong because he missed the point. Mike says I'm inconsistent because he has a link to where I said Kuwait is a friend (no quotes). You jump to his defense. I show Mike that the link he's quoting is actually me responding to your claim and re-phrasing your "support" for your position back at you so I can disprove your position. Mike says I'm inconsistent because he says I'm inconsistent. You get upset because your earlier post has been disproven by Mike whom you were trying to support against me. NEITHER of you can understand CONTEXT! hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhaahha Now you're claiming that it is >I< who does not understand context. Hahahahahhahahahahhaha Once AGAIN, you are the one with the incorrect fact and it is MY FAULT! hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha Marlowe can't parse for context. Mike can't understand what quotations around a word means. Mike can't parse for context. Bill Pathetic is Johnny-on-the-spot whenever someone disagrees with me. But it is Bill Pathetic's statement that Mike is having contextual issues with. So Mike is arguing that Bill's ORIGINAL statement is INCORRECT when Bill jumped in to help Mike against me when I was replying to Marlowe! ALL THREE STOOGES IN ONE THREAD! Woooooooo wheeeeeeee! I do believe that that is refered to as a "hat trick"!
Post #58,522 by Mike 10/22/02 6:22:21 PM Reply	Hmmmmmm More than two people in a thread is a hat-trick? Interesting. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Post #58,550 by Brandioch 10/22/02 6:49:08 PM Reply	THREE! Marlowe, Mike and Pathetic! Oh, sorry. Guess you don't follow football.
Post #58,717 by bepatient 10/23/02 8:02:45 AM Reply	Excuse me moron...but thats hockey... ...and your still wrong here...and in the previous thread. First...by claiming that me posting a smartass response is anything near "defending"...(France and the wisdom of "ahhh"...really serious jump to defense there bucko) Second...by pretending that any of the former soviet satellites in the region are good places to start when trying to influence politics in the region (previous rediculous assertion) and Third...by equating political friendliness with personal safety and anti_American sentiment in the population. So..if you consider being wrong on 3points a hat trick...congrats buddy...you're all that. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #58,926 by Brandioch 10/23/02 4:37:49 PM Reply	Was that "moron" you said? To me? Excuse me moron...but thats hockey... ...and your still wrong here...and in the previous thread. Awwww, I hate to burst your bubble, but a "hat trick" is ALSO found in SOCCER!!! hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahaha! Like I've pointed out before, you knowledge of anything other than your immediate environs is beyond limited. First...by claiming that me posting a smartass response is anything near "defending"...(France and the wisdom of "ahhh"...really serious jump to defense there bucko) Okay, I'm having a little trouble parsing that statement. Are you saying that I claimed you were "defending" France? Perhaps you might brush up a bit on something called "English". ahhahahahahahahhahahahahah Second...by pretending that any of the former soviet satellites in the region are good places to start when trying to influence politics in the region (previous rediculous assertion) and But Uzbekistan was where we launched the FIRST attack against Afghanistan from. Since Afghanistan has now had its government replaced... and a government is "politics".... Then it seems that a former Soviet satellite WAS a good place to START from when trying to influence politics in that region. No. The reason YOU don't think it is is because YOU don't UNDERSTAND the region OR the countries there. All YOU know is what the US-focused media FEEDS you. So, if YOU have never heard of it, then it can't be important, can it? Just as 99% of the US population couldn't identify what al Queda was in 2000 nor who led it. Third...by equating political friendliness with personal safety and anti_American sentiment in the population. Say that again. So, they can be politically friendly -but- the population can be "anti_American" Allow me to refresh your memory on this subject. Saddam takes over Iraq. The US gives Saddam money to develop weapons to use against Iran. Saddam asks the US if he can invade Kuwait. The US says that we don't care how he handles his neighbors. Saddam invades Kuwait and a lot of bad things happen to Kuwait (and the people there). The US builds a coalition and kicks Saddam out of Kuwait. No. Kuwait is not politically friendly to the US. Kuwait knows that if they do not cooperate with the US, the US has the means to hurt them. Cooperation is NOT the same a friendship. and THAT is why it is NOT safe for US citizens to be over there.
Post #58,936 by Ashton 10/23/02 4:58:01 PM Reply	'Hat Trick' I first heard re motorcycle GP racing, in Brit cycle magazines and at the Isle of Man TT races. Believe it was re John Hartle winning 3? more? GPs in one year, or maybe John Surtees. While I've never researched its coining and suspect it is of a horsey slant or merely Magician/rabbit? - I believe that in UK English and nowadays.. it has become generic for Wow.. What a Fucking Performance! (Like say, Wynton Marsalis winning the [Some Big Award] in both Classical and Popular music (jazz) one year.) Real English speakers - please correct my assumptions here. Ashton
Post #58,940 by ChrisR 10/23/02 5:04:16 PM Reply	Cricket. From [link\|http://www.geocities.com/etymonline/h1etym.htm\|Etymology Online]: Hat trick is originally from cricket, c.1877, "taking three wickets on three bowls," extended to other sports (esp. ice hockey). Ok, I didn't know it before... but that's the beauty of the internet. Now all I have to figure out is what a wicket and a bowl is. :-)
Post #58,943 by bepatient 10/23/02 5:44:55 PM Reply	Yes it was... ...and knowing that you are resident of this country...football is >not< soccer. And in this post...you used >soccer<. So unless you think that someone on the Seahawks can score a hat trick...this cover up ain't gonna work. Reread [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=58513\|your own post] where you claim I was "defending" something. You made it up...don't as me to do the work to "unmake" it. I don't need refreshing on politics in the region. When I spoke of needing "friends" in the region...it was centered around allies that could provide political influence...not military bases. (though these help) A former Soviet satellite with barely 10 years independence doesn't quite fit that bill...but you can pretend it does..and you are. Turkmenistan is another one..its even closer to IRAQ...maybe we can make friends with them too...but since neither have significant history in the issues we were discussing at the time (Israel being just as much or more a factor that oil with our mideast problems)...I'd say your still pulling stuff from your nether regions. Saudi is still a better choice.(same as it was in the prior thread). And your still equating personal safety with politics. There are alot of places in NY where I as an American am not safe...but I'd wager that the city of NY is politically friendly. (regardless of their reason for being so inclined) Tell you what...since everything in the region revolves around oil...we can invade Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan...we'd replace all the oil that we'll lose by turning Iraq into a sheet of glass! Lemme go call GW! You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson}
Post #58,954 by Brandioch 10/23/02 6:24:35 PM Reply	Hee hee hee. Awwww, now you're going to tell me what I meant, too? Nope. The POINT was that you are UNINFORMED about events in the WORLD. That is why I used "football" instead of "soccer". Anyone in England would have understood a hat trick in football. Anyone in Brazil would have understood a hat trick in football. And so forth. Now, you, because of your massive ignorance of anything not spoon fed to you by the US media, think that a hat trick is only in hockey. Because that is the ONLY place you've ever heard of it. Therefore, you declare that I'm wrong because a hat trick is in HOCKEY and NOT FOOTBALL. And THAT is what I have to KEEP POINTING OUT TO YOU. You don't know ANYTHING that isn't spoon fed to you. You don't know what the REST OF THE WORLD sees. Instead, you keep arguing that the rest of the world conform to YOUR narrow minded viewpoint. Yes it was... ...and knowing that you are resident of this country...football is >not< soccer. Yes, I am. And, as I've pointed out often enough in the past, I've spent many years outside of this country. I've spent a lot of time learning about how the OTHER PEOPLE in the world think and operate. You have not. Yet you, for some reason, THINK that you understand their situations. To put it in very simple terms for you..... If someone is talking to me and they mention that their football team scored a field goal, I'll know what they're talking about. If someone else is talking to me and mentions that someone on his favorite team pulled a hat trick in the football game yesterday, I'll know what they're talking about. And that is something that cannot be communicated to someone such as yourself. The world is a lot bigger than you imagine it to be. The world is a lot more complex than you imagine it to be. The people in the world do NOT all have the same point of view that you have. In your mind, a hat trick exists solely in hockey. And it is that mindset that precludes you from ever understanding mid-east politics.
Post #58,974 by bepatient 10/23/02 8:06:34 PM Reply	Ahhhh...thee of massive experience. Clue...I've as much if not more experience outside of this country as you have... (Oh...thats right...your mental image of anyone >not agreeing with you< is some hayseed from Kansas that doesn't know where Afghanistan is on a map). The point being that >you< demand that level of linguistic accuracy of others...yet don't adhere to it yourself. Football in your country means football. You know this by switching to soccer in the next post...but "of course"...you meant to do that...as a "joke" that you would >never< allow anyone else to make...only you are allowed do these things. Heaven forbid if Mike had made that "joke"...we'd have 5 more levels of right shift because he isn't allowed to do these things on Planet Brandioch. So you can continue to believe in your superiority...and continue to be wrong on all of these points....its no skin off my nose. So...pretend that buying your booze at the PX has given you massive insight into the world...I know better. I didn't live on a base with a bunch of other close shaven lads...I lived with the natives. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,012 by Brandioch 10/24/02 2:33:29 AM Reply	So you claim. Clue...I've as much if not more experience outside of this country as you have... Really? That's cool. Then why is it that you have such a limited understanding of the rest of the world? The point being that >you< demand that level of linguistic accuracy of others...yet don't adhere to it yourself. No. That is why I constantly included "depending upon your definition" in my posts. That way, people will know what definition I'm using when I feel it isn't obvious from the context. Football in your country means football. Yes, it does. But I am not limited to what something is called in the USofA. I have world wide experience. You know this by switching to soccer in the next post...but "of course"...you meant to do that...as a "joke" that you would >never< allow anyone else to make...only you are allowed do these things. And that is EXACTLY what I keep illustrating about you. You decide that I am wrong because my usage did not fit with your LIMITED experience and because my usage did not fit with your LIMITED experience, then I was WRONG for employing that usage. Heaven forbid if Mike had made that "joke"...we'd have 5 more levels of right shift because he isn't allowed to do these things on Planet Brandioch. So nice to see you picking up Marlowe's terminology. I guess that reveals a bit more about yourself. As for you crying about the terms I use, wasn't it you that wanted to substitute "interfering in others affairs" for "war". You know "war". The bit about dropping bombs on civilians and maiming children and so on. No. You're always right because you define what the terms mean. So what if your definitions are limited by your LIMITED experience? You're still right because you KNOW what those terms mean and anyone who uses them in any other fashion is WRONG because.......... THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE DO IT IN THE USofA!!! And people like you sicken me. I didn't live on a base with a bunch of other close shaven lads...I lived with the natives. Again, more claims to experience that just don't seem to be borne out. If you did, then you'd know what a hat trick in football was.
Post #59,030 by bepatient 10/24/02 7:39:42 AM Reply	Classic Hmm...some poetic license... "Oh no...what you say can't be true because "I" don't agree." "Its not bourne out by >my< view of the facts." "I'm allowed to play these linguistic games because I have "experience" that other don't" Which one of us is "pathetic?" Like I said...PX priveledges and sharing living quarters with other groundpounders doesn't qualify you as "expert" And I know what a hat trick in Soccer is (and such other trivia as the "Hand of God" and the winner of the 88 Euro Cup)...you don't seem to understand the finer point of that post. You allow noone else to do play those games. Yet when I call you on it, its because I lack experience. So I ask again...which one of us is pathetic? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,097 by Brandioch 10/24/02 12:40:47 PM Reply	That would be you. Which one of us is "pathetic?" That would be you. "Oh no...what you say can't be true because "I" don't agree." No. It could be true. You just have to support what you say with more than "It's true because I said it". "Its not bourne out by >my< view of the facts." Again, if you present such facts as support, then it is up to me to refute those facts. But you don't present facts. You rely on "maybe" and "possibly" and so forth. "I'm allowed to play these linguistic games because I have "experience" that other don't" No. The bit about football and hat tricks was to DEMONSTRATE the limits you operate under. Namely, a viewpoint limited to the US only. Like I said...PX priveledges and sharing living quarters with other groundpounders doesn't qualify you as "expert" That would depend upon what the subject was. In the matter of international politics and the history of the mid-east, you would be correct. But I don't claim to be an "expert" on such matters. Just that I know far more about the situations and the history than YOU do. But that's just your old attempt at strawman, isn't it? And I know what a hat trick in Soccer is (and such other trivia as the "Hand of God" and the winner of the 88 Euro Cup)...you don't seem to understand the finer point of that post. I'm sure you do. Now. After I explained the post to you. After you've had time to check google for the materials. After I've shown that you were incorrect when you claimed that it was in hockey (implying that it was not in football). You allow noone else to do play those games. Yet when I call you on it, its because I lack experience. No. When someone else claims there was a wall where there wasn't a wall, that is not the same. Wall == "barrier" -and- Fence == "barrier" -therefore- Wall == Fence That works in math, but not in the English language. Ah, something NEW I've had to explain to you.
Post #59,110 by bepatient 10/24/02 1:09:38 PM Reply	Classic Part 2 No. It could be true. You just have to support what you say with more than "It's true because I said it". Ah...so how does "I said this so you need to refute it with several hundred references that I won't get on my own" fit in with that statement. In other words...you seem to miserably fail at practicing what you preach. "Again, if you present such facts as support, then it is up to me to refute those facts. But you don't present facts. You rely on "maybe" and "possibly" and so forth. So when do you plan on providing a link that proves Bush grounded the drones? Link was provided. Then somehow it was up to me >again< to disprove your assertion. According to you...thats not how its supposed to work (unless you have a double standard..which is horribly apparent) No. The bit about football and hat tricks was to DEMONSTRATE the limits you operate under. Namely, a viewpoint limited to the US only. Continued cop-out. You can do it..but noone else can. It certainly >is< the same because you are using words that have multiple definitions based upon context and location. Its only >not the same< here because admitting so would be admitting you are wrong. I'll dig out the photo from the afterparty of the Euro Cup. It was a hell of a party. Rooting with my friends with national pride on the line makes the Super Bowl look downright boring. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,113 by Brandioch 10/24/02 1:19:29 PM Reply	I think I've demonstrated this sufficiently. Ah...so how does "I said this so you need to refute it with several hundred references that I won't get on my own" fit in with that statement. That would be you. When I state something, I back it up with facts. As with this current thread. Do you want me to provide facts showing what a hat trick is in football? Are you going to claim that there isn't one? In other words...you seem to miserably fail at practicing what you preach. Only in your opinion. But then, you believe that "maybe" and "possibly" are supportive of your positions. So when do you plan on providing a link that proves Bush grounded the drones? Link was provided. Then somehow it was up to me >again< to disprove your assertion. According to you...thats not how its supposed to work (unless you have a double standard..which is horribly apparent) I did. And when they were first used, what the problems were, how those problems were fixed and when they went to Bush to get them deployed. Because these facts do not fit your viewpoint, you keep forgetting them and claiming that I haven't posted them. Continued cop-out. You can do it..but noone else can. It certainly >is< the same because you are using words that have multiple definitions based upon context and location. You're right and wrong. Yes, it is about CONTEXT!!! Something that I have CONTINUALLY harped upon YOUR inability to GRASP. And the CONTEXT would be CLEAR to anyone not blinded by your US-centric viewpoint. Which is something ELSE I've had to continually point out to you. Yes!!! CONTEXT! CONTEXT!! CONTEXT!!! Learn it! And lose the US-centric viewpoint. It will make you a better person.
Post #59,123 by bepatient 10/24/02 1:38:12 PM Reply	Don't have it... ....and your link did nothing to prove a grounding of the ops. It talked about when they were grounded. (Pre-Bush) It talked about them being retrofitted. It discussed final testing was complete (after 2 more months) Then the next thing you know...there are news articles talking about how drones are back in theater. Remarkably anti-US centric. But you can pretend anything you want...you always do. On your "proof" of drones Your link says... Sept/Oct they stop. Feb they're in Nevada. ( 5 months) April their done testing. Assuming >instantaneous< approval of redeployment (you are military and implying this is even remotely possible would be horribly suspect) so to get them back in theater would take, presumably the same 5 months it took to get them out. You still end up with them out of operation until after 9/11. And links have been provided to show they are indeed being used at that point. So barring a report that Bush stated they were NOT to be used...simple timelines applied to >your< link disprove your position. Yet it remains up to me to disprove your >assertion< that Bush grounded the ops. But you only state things backed with >facts<. I know context. I also know pattern. Called upon it...you will hold yourself to lesser standards than you hold others. This is all that the point was meant to prove. I think it worked. I may have a posting lull tonight btw...considering I have to ref a couple of soccer games tonight. How horribly US centric of me to miss the World Series for that "gosh dern ferner" game. I'll be moving to Montana soon. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,147 by Brandioch 10/24/02 2:43:23 PM Reply	Knock off the lies. It also stated exactly where the project was introduced to Bush and turned down. Bush said not to use the drones. This was documented and in the link I provided. Because it doesn't match your viewpoint, you keep claiming it wasn't there. Sept/Oct they stop. Feb they're in Nevada. ( 5 months) April their done testing. Assuming >instantaneous< approval of redeployment (you are military and implying this is even remotely possible would be horribly suspect) so to get them back in theater would take, presumably the same 5 months it took to get them out. No, to try to "support" your position, you add the TESTING time to the TRAVEL time and claim that it would take that long to move them back. Fine, but that assumes that retrofitting and testing took ZERO time. Bzzzzt!
Post #59,157 by bepatient 10/24/02 3:27:17 PM Reply	Nope. Op/Ed piece that claimed Rumsfeld did it...to back an assertion that Bush did it countered by the actual reports that showed the actual problems... And no. Retrofitting and testing is Feb-April from one account and following (from your links) an account pushing that back to August. So. It took Sept to Feb (5 months) to get from theater to Nevada. Testing Feb to April (or worse...August)...how long to get back? Gee...your generosity gives them weeks. [link\|http://www.azstarnet.com/attack/indepth/id-CIAdrones.html\|http://www.azstarnet...id-CIAdrones.html] By early spring this year, the CIA had brought the Predators back to the United States and was actively pushing the Air Force to equip them with Hellfire missiles for a possible redeployment in Afghanistan. Tests in Nevada dragged on through the summer as technicians tried to refine the plane's ability to fire accurately at targets from high altitudes. By August, officials say, the kinks had been worked out and the planes were ready to go. But even then, the Bush administration was riddled with doubts about whether it wanted to go forward with a new, more forceful mission over Afghanistan. The risks, officials say, were huge. Top Bush Cabinet officials convened several times in late summer to discuss the pros and cons of going forward. Even >worse< for your case because it pushes mission readiness of the drones into August. I see..."riddled with doubts" is the same as ordering them grounded. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,180 by Brandioch 10/24/02 4:15:48 PM Reply	I've already established your problems with context. I see..."riddled with doubts" is the same as ordering them grounded. In this instance, it is. They were presented with a system that they refused to deploy. They refused to deploy it because they were "riddled with doubts" about it. The action is refusing to deploy the drones. The reason for the action is they were riddled with doubts. I say that Bush took a specific action. You are focusing on the reason why he took that specific action and trying to claim the reason is the action. Bzzzzzt! You're wrong again!
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Post #59,201 by bepatient 10/24/02 5:01:03 PM Reply	rofl You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,155 by screamer 10/24/02 3:19:46 PM Reply	Gonna be a dental floss tycoon? Or a mental toss flycoon? Just me and the pygmy pony over by the dental floss bush... (thanks Frank Z) Bill... It's over... Just practice this sign (with sincere apologies to Michel Merlin) whenever you post with ... youknowho -----ooooOOOooooo----- Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #59,158 by bepatient 10/24/02 3:29:15 PM Reply	Bingo! Gonna be wearing my Python Boots too. Yeah...might as well let Nanook Rub it;) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #59,125 by Mike 10/24/02 1:39:21 PM Reply	I back it up with facts LMAO >>When I state something, I back it up with facts. You stated that Israel was acting as a proxy for the United States' interests when it bombed Iraq's nuclear facility. Had you even TRIED to back it up with facts......you (I hope) would have realised/discovered that the U.S. participated in a condemnation of Israel for its actions. So......I think you need a "weasle word" here. You USUALLY back it up with facts. You SOMETIMES back it up with facts. Heck, I'll let you choose the word. But "I back it up with facts" is BS. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Post #59,197 by Brandioch 10/24/02 4:39:02 PM Reply	Mike == clueless. You stated that Israel was acting as a proxy for the United States' interests when it bombed Iraq's nuclear facility. That is correct. Had you even TRIED to back it up with facts......you (I hope) would have realised/discovered that the U.S. participated in a condemnation of Israel for its actions. Have you read the document? [link\|http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/be25c7c81949e71a052567270057c82b/6c57312cc8bd93ca852560df00653995!OpenDocument\|here] Note that Israel is not punished for the attack. Nor are damages awarded to Iraq for the attack. And so forth. In other words, the US told Israel that the attack was "wrong" but that NOTHING would be done to Israel because of it. And nothing was done to Israel. No fines, no punishments, no inspectors.... NOTHING. And THAT is what being a proxy is about. The US gets to remove itself from the ACTIONS, but still looks after the proxy's interests.
Post #59,211 by Mike 10/24/02 5:29:48 PM Reply	Bad logic, bad facts After the bombing, the White House reported to congress that a "substantial" violation of the Arms Export Control Act prohibition against the use of U.S. weapons except in self-defense may have occurred. Congress declined to take any action.....lets keep this for a separate thread. Now...when the White House reported this to Congress...were they trying to make sure that their proxy was rewarded? Your understanding of history is VERY flawed. The U.S. wanted to distance themselves from Israels actions when they elected not to veto the resolution. At the same time, they made it clear that they would not support sanctions against them. All of this behaviour is JUST as consistent with the fact that Israel was an ally. To interpret this as proof that they were acting on our behalf is without foundation.....I would like some EVIDENCE please. Combine the above with the fact that the White House reported what they did to the Congress........its utterly delusional. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Post #59,217 by Brandioch 10/24/02 6:03:02 PM Reply	So you say. Your understanding of history is VERY flawed. So you say. The U.S. wanted to distance themselves from Israels actions when they elected not to veto the resolution. At the same time, they made it clear that they would not support sanctions against them. Hmmm, I seem to recall reading that somewhere else. Now, where could I have read that. Oh, I know. I just posted that. All of this behaviour is JUST as consistent with the fact that Israel was an ally. To interpret this as proof that they were acting on our behalf is without foundation.....I would like some EVIDENCE please. Hmmm, you were the one that chose the event. I provided the substantiation. The US did not veto the resolution, but there wasn't ANYTHING in the resolution that did anything to Israel IN ANY FORM OR FASHION. In other words, Israel bombed a nuclear plant in Iraq and got away with it. And you still want more proof? Okay, how much aid do we send to Israel? How does that compare to the REST of the aid we send to countries?
Post #59,257 by wharris2 10/24/02 8:46:31 PM Reply	Jeez, will you never let go? Or let anyone else have a last word?
Post #59,287 by Brandioch 10/24/02 10:58:49 PM Reply	I'm sorry, was I talking to you? Or do you have some personal problem where you have to inflict your opinion on topics that do not concern you?
Post #59,290 by admin 10/24/02 11:09:14 PM Reply	Because the S/N ratio in here is abyssmal mainly because of this pointless bickering. As such, you are involving the other members of this community, whether or not they are direct participants. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #59,301 by Brandioch 10/24/02 11:27:53 PM Reply	And he was improving it? yes/no? Are you improving it? yes/no? If you're not improving it, but you feel obligated to provide your opinion on it, then......
Post #59,302 by boxley 10/24/02 11:29:37 PM Reply	are you insinuating I am not improving it? I do not post without making a point that I hope someone will get. And yes, right shifting this to hell and gone is a point of sorts. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #59,304 by admin 10/24/02 11:30:31 PM Reply	He was attempting to. By making his displeasure known in the hopes that you would quit the bullshit. As I am doing. As several others have. Get the message yet? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #59,308 by wharris2 10/24/02 11:37:21 PM Reply	Futile hope, I'm afraid, Scott. Once again, although best made in a different area, twit filter requested.
Post #59,320 by Brandioch 10/25/02 12:03:55 AM Reply	Allow me to make this perfectly clear. What pleases or displeases him does not, has not and will not have any effect upon my actions. If I have, somehow, failed to communicate this clearly enough, I hope I have now remedied that. I do not subscribe to political correctness.
Post #59,323 by Silverlock 10/25/02 12:16:18 AM Reply	"I do not subscribe to political correctness." Understood and accepted. Seems like the only thing you do subscribe to lately is bitchiness. Have you ever admitted a mistake, a wrong interpretation, a misunderstood nuance? Please prove me wrong. "A civilian gang of thieving lobbyists for the military industrial complex is running the White House. If to be against them is considered unpatriotic -- Hell, then call me a traitor." -- Hunter S. Thompson
Post #59,333 by Brandioch 10/25/02 1:10:25 AM Reply	Check my reply to your other post. Check out the Truman Doctrine. Check out when it was issued. Check out the state of Germany at that time. Yes, I have admitted I was wrong before. When I was wrong.
Post #59,335 by Silverlock 10/25/02 1:18:24 AM Reply	point to a single example. Honestly, I don't remember a single time you have have ever said "I was wrong". My memory may be faulty though. "A civilian gang of thieving lobbyists for the military industrial complex is running the White House. If to be against them is considered unpatriotic -- Hell, then call me a traitor." -- Hunter S. Thompson
Post #59,348 by Brandioch 10/25/02 2:13:12 AM Reply	Those specific words? Or words to that effect? [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=59092\|Ah. I see now.]
Post #59,377 by admin 10/25/02 9:18:09 AM Reply	That much is obvious. But a non sequitur. I was answering a question about S/N. wharris was attempting to improve the S/N here. You, by contrast, are not. Have I made myself clear now? Political correctness has very little to do with this situation, Brandioch. Please disabuse yourself of the notion that you are somehow carrying the Torch Of Brusque Illumination here. I don't believe anyone here has failed to miss your point that you believe Screamer was calling a fence a wall. What they are telling you is that 1) being pedantic to the point of irrationality is stupid and 2) shut up about it already. Unless of course you enjoy mental masturbation; we're just letting you know that the sideshow has become boring and we'd like you to get back to discussing stuff that actually matters. This is my last statement to you on the matter. Very soon I will implement 'ignore thread', and for really asinine stuff like this, 'move (sub)thread' and 'lock (sub)thread' features. So at the very least your antics are useful in the generation of new (albeit sadly un-looked-for) features. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #59,424 by Brandioch 10/25/02 12:15:06 PM Reply	Let me put this in small words. I do not think I can explain the Truman Doctrine and "Containment" to someone who is trying to hide the fact that he was not on the border by playing word games over whether "fence" is the same as "wall". Clear enough?
Post #59,480 by wharris2 10/25/02 4:39:25 PM Reply	Re: That much is obvious. Very soon I will implement 'ignore thread', and for really asinine stuff like this, 'move (sub)thread' and 'lock (sub)thread' features. Pity, really, that it has to come to this.
Post #59,486 by admin 10/25/02 5:03:34 PM Reply	Tell me about it. I've got better things to do than clean up after people who can't keep from shitting in their own beds. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #59,153 by screamer 10/24/02 3:12:36 PM Reply	All in all... it's just another brick in the barrier :-) (with apologies to Roger Waters)... Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever

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