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Post #5,470 by wharris2 8/16/01 4:59:52 PM Reply	Tried a google search The best reference I could come up with was a reference to someone who thought he'd seen a Berkley reference in the license to NT 3.51. That's not very strong evidence unless I can actually run across a copy of NT 3.51 and see the license myself. The winsock.h headers do include the following: * This file includes parts which are Copyright (c) 1982-1986 Regents * of the University of California. All rights reserved. The * Berkeley Software License Agreement specifies the terms and * conditions for redistribution. but as noted, this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual TCP/IP stack implementation. French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
Post #5,537 by Andrew Grygus 8/16/01 11:32:43 PM Reply	ID number was a point. TCP/IP stacks report an ID number which is different for each vendor - except Microsoft's TCP/IP reportes the same ID as Berkeley. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #5,554 by wharris2 8/17/01 12:35:16 AM Reply	Re: ID number was a point. But that doesn't really prove anything. Microsoft might have decided, "OK, this is the standard ID, we'll report it". Again, I wasn't able to find any report that was able to nail Microsoft to the wall with taking the BSD IP stack. None. Nada. Nill. With the number of web pages out there, and with Google looking at them, and with lots of anti-Microsoft fanatics willing to spill their guts, and with the utter total failure of any of these pages to document Microsoft using BSD code, I need pretty damn good evidence that they used the Berkely IP. French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!

Cringley on MS's possible plan..... - (addison) - (27) - Aug. 8, 2001, 03:44:10 PM EDT

It is indeed scary. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:15:50 PM EDT

Nope. - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:31:12 PM EDT

But would that stop them from implementing it? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:48:38 PM EDT

Nope. - (admin) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:54:32 PM EDT

Well, it might be self fixing. - (Andrew Grygus) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:42:08 PM EDT

MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack. - (Brandioch) - (11) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:15:19 PM EDT

Actually, I think he has a different point. - (static) - Aug. 8, 2001, 09:28:59 PM EDT

Re: MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack. - (acagle) - (8) - Aug. 15, 2001, 03:23:40 PM EDT

Re: MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack. - (tjsinclair) - (7) - Aug. 15, 2001, 06:23:14 PM EDT

Windows ME winsock.dll copyright says it's Microsoft's. - (a6l6e6x) - (6) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:00:52 PM EDT

So why does it say BSD if it's Microsoft's? -NT - (tjsinclair) - (5) - Aug. 16, 2001, 12:10:05 AM EDT

API, not implementation - (kmself) - (4) - Aug. 16, 2001, 06:30:45 AM EDT

What he said! :) I agree. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 16, 2001, 02:33:54 PM EDT

Tried a google search - (wharris2) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2001, 04:59:52 PM EDT

ID number was a point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2001, 11:32:43 PM EDT

Re: ID number was a point. - (wharris2) - Aug. 17, 2001, 12:35:16 AM EDT

the source they released for their original winsock 89? 90? - (boxley) - Aug. 17, 2001, 12:26:56 PM EDT

they tried this once before and almost lost the company - (boxley) - (9) - Aug. 8, 2001, 09:54:52 PM EDT

OT - RE; NetWare - (tjsinclair) - (8) - Aug. 8, 2001, 11:34:19 PM EDT

Killed? No . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:52:11 AM EDT

So nothing's changed - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 9, 2001, 10:11:41 AM EDT

Actually... - (addison) - (5) - Aug. 9, 2001, 11:03:15 AM EDT

All the more reason . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Aug. 9, 2001, 11:53:39 AM EDT

Pure genius? - (wharris2) - (3) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:01:11 PM EDT

It may seem stupid to technical person . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:16:43 PM EDT

You mean the DB2 ads, right? - (wharris2) - Aug. 9, 2001, 01:23:40 PM EDT

hey, I still have one of those OS/2 shirts.... -NT - (cforde) - Aug. 9, 2001, 01:02:43 PM EDT

Do you, in fact, have any cheese here at all?
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