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New Re: MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack.
Could you point me to the documentation on that? I've seen it refernced a couple of places. Petreley also mentioned some other stuff that MS used open source for but won't admit to.
New Re: MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack.
I think if you run 'strings' (or some other tool that can look at ASCII text embedded in a binary) on the TCP/IP binaries (like WINSOCK) you should get the Berkeley copyright notice.

I haven't haven't done this, so feel free to correct me on this.
New Windows ME winsock.dll copyright says it's Microsoft's.
Description: BSD Socket API for Windows.
Copyright: Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp. 1993-1997
File version: 4.90.0.3000

I just checked. YMMV.
Alex

Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not certain about the universe.
-- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
New So why does it say BSD if it's Microsoft's?
New API, not implementation
I'm not speaking for what's in the software.

But an API is a schema, an implementation is a work. It's possible to code up an alternative implementation of an API.

Mind, if there's BSD code that Microsoft's not acknowledging, they might have some interesting times with UC's IP rights management folk.
--
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]

What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New What he said! :) I agree.
Alex

Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not certain about the universe.
-- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
New Tried a google search
The best reference I could come up with was a reference to someone who thought he'd seen a Berkley reference in the license to NT 3.51. That's not very strong evidence unless I can actually run across a copy of NT 3.51 and see the license myself.

The winsock.h headers *do* include the following:

* This file includes parts which are Copyright (c) 1982-1986 Regents
* of the University of California. All rights reserved. The
* Berkeley Software License Agreement specifies the terms and
* conditions for redistribution.

but as noted, this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual TCP/IP stack implementation.
French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
New ID number was a point.
TCP/IP stacks report an ID number which is different for each vendor - except Microsoft's TCP/IP reportes the same ID as Berkeley.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Re: ID number was a point.
But that doesn't really prove anything. Microsoft might have decided, "OK, this is the standard ID, we'll report it".

Again, I wasn't able to find *any* report that was able to nail Microsoft to the wall with taking the BSD IP stack. None. Nada. Nill.

With the number of web pages out there, and with Google looking at them, and with lots of anti-Microsoft fanatics willing to spill their guts, and with the utter total failure of *any* of these pages to document Microsoft using BSD code, I need pretty damn good evidence that they used the Berkely IP.
French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
     Cringley on MS's possible plan..... - (addison) - (27)
         It is indeed scary. - (Another Scott) - (4)
             Nope. - (admin) - (2)
                 But would that stop them from implementing it? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     Nope. - (admin)
             Well, it might be self fixing. - (Andrew Grygus)
         MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack. - (Brandioch) - (11)
             Actually, I think he has a different point. - (static)
             Re: MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack. - (acagle) - (8)
                 Re: MS couldn't even write a decent TCP/IP stack. - (tjsinclair) - (7)
                     Windows ME winsock.dll copyright says it's Microsoft's. - (a6l6e6x) - (6)
                         So why does it say BSD if it's Microsoft's? -NT - (tjsinclair) - (5)
                             API, not implementation - (kmself) - (4)
                                 What he said! :) I agree. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                 Tried a google search - (wharris2) - (2)
                                     ID number was a point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                         Re: ID number was a point. - (wharris2)
             the source they released for their original winsock 89? 90? - (boxley)
         they tried this once before and almost lost the company - (boxley) - (9)
             OT - RE; NetWare - (tjsinclair) - (8)
                 Killed? No . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                     So nothing's changed - (tjsinclair)
                     Actually... - (addison) - (5)
                         All the more reason . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                             Pure genius? - (wharris2) - (3)
                                 It may seem stupid to technical person . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                     You mean the DB2 ads, right? - (wharris2)
                                 hey, I still have one of those OS/2 shirts.... -NT - (cforde)

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