I like how this unfolds as you envision the Karen's behavior

Post #438,508 by crazy 2/27/21 5:14:10 PM 2/27/21 5:14:10 PM Reply	I like how this unfolds as you envision the Karen's behavior https://www.businessinsider.com/arizona-american-airlines-flight-diverted-after-racial-slur-fight-2021-2 Of course this involves a whole bunch of assumptions. So we have a couple women just bantering loudly back and forth saying words that most people wouldn't accept being publicly acceptable. Then we have another guy who simply goes "Yo lady. Shut the f****". And then the lady looks at him and goes Yo back. And then it keeps on escalating and escalating until the bodily fluids fly and the slap happens or maybe it was a real punch. And I assume there's flight attendants around as they're screaming for everyone to please be calm but everyone else says no we're not going to be. So someone gets kicked off a plane and who knows what next. I flew recently. That level of craziness in that level of tight space? Holy s*. Imagine the covid flying around.
Post #438,509 by Another Scott 2/27/21 5:34:48 PM 2/27/21 5:34:48 PM Reply	The flight starting in DFW is perfect, isn't it? There's so much about that story that just seems too prototypical Ugly American/Texan/Drunk Karen/etc. no matter where they're from. I'm glad he spoke up. That crap won't stop unless people do so. Thanks for the pointer. Cheers, Scott.
Post #438,510 by crazy 2/27/21 6:16:29 PM 2/27/21 6:16:29 PM Reply	Could be from anywhere. The overt racism is typically from people from the north. Seriously. People from the south are too damn kind and they want to be judged kind and they aren't typically overt racists, they're just dealing with society as they think it works. Except the KKK bastards of course. I'm just talking about the default polite society. The guys from the north are the seriously overt racists, they recognize what they were doing and they just don't care. I'm talking as the Jew that got to hear everything they said by default when they didn't realize I wasn't really a white guy. So don't focus on the airport of source please.
Post #438,511 by boxley 2/27/21 10:11:12 PM 2/27/21 10:11:12 PM Reply	what crazy said Kelly Pichardo, 30, and Leeza Rodriguez, 29 are hardly gringo names "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #438,554 by crazy 3/2/21 10:04:25 AM 3/2/21 10:04:25 AM Reply	Like NY https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9312825/Flight-LA-forced-stop-Phoenix-two-women-used-racist-slurs-spat-passenger.html
Post #438,556 by crazy 3/2/21 10:19:24 AM 3/2/21 10:19:24 AM Reply	And no longer thinking Karen I'm thinking default N word usage referring to each other, as punctuation, etc. Nothing hostile about it. Wrong place wrong time, different kind of idiots. So Karens? Nah.
Post #438,558 by Another Scott 3/2/21 2:58:45 PM 3/2/21 2:58:45 PM Reply	Yeah, every generalization is false. I guess I was reminded of taking a Southwest flight from Austin to DC many years ago, in W's time. Sen. Cornyn was a few rows ahead of us in the wing exit row (more legroom). Nobody made a fuss or anything. Until we landed, and then some jackass made the point of loudly thanking the good senator for "keeping us safe" and trying to start some applause (and getting a few to participate, while the rest of us just wanted to get off the plane and get home). Yeah, he might not have been from Texas, either. I shouldn't assume. But it's so easy sometimes! ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #438,520 by mmoffitt 3/1/21 11:45:51 AM 3/1/21 11:45:51 AM Reply	Too many people fly. A round trip, coast to coast flight on a DC-3 cost $300.00 in 1940. That's a little over $5,500 today. If the cost of an airplane ticket had remained constant and a NY to LAX ticket cost over five grand with all other shorter flights being similarly priced, do you think you'd see the sort of behavior commercial flight crews have to put up with every flight? I don't. Pricing the Neanderthals out may be the only way to limit this nonsense. Median household income is around 70K. Half of households would have to make a significant effort to save up for a flight and I'd wager that after having done so they'd be more inclined to behave themselves. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #438,523 by Andrew Grygus 3/1/21 12:30:01 PM 3/1/21 12:30:01 PM Reply	Wait: Price out the proletariat? That doesn't sound very Communist of you.
Post #438,531 by mmoffitt 3/1/21 5:08:27 PM 3/1/21 5:08:27 PM Reply	I know. My father just flipped over in his grave. But the Trump election and 74 million voting for him again in 2020 has completely flipped my views. There is nothing noble about the American proletariat. Probably there never was, but clearly, today there isn't. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #438,530 by Another Scott 3/1/21 4:32:26 PM 3/1/21 4:32:26 PM Reply	[ Insert my J's story about drunk Russian businessmen on Aeroflot to Ireland ]
Post #438,609 by InThane 3/8/21 5:13:13 PM 3/8/21 5:13:39 PM Reply	On "Karen" Quite frankly, I really fucking hate applying "Karen" to bossy self-entitled assholes. In my experience, most bossy self-entitled assholes are men. I've had to work under a few. I've worked in customer service and had quite a few call me. I spent 2.5 hours one time at a really shitty job with a guy who spent the entire time calling me names and describing what he would do to me if he ever found me because my job didn't allow me to hang up the phone nor transfer it to my boss. I have only had one woman I've worked with who was a bossy self-entitled asshole. But hey, a woman stands firm on a request instead of bowing under and she gets labeled a "Karen". It's just misogyny writ large, and I refuse to use it. (That, and every Karen I've known in my life has been a really nice person.) Ceterum autem censeo pars Republican esse delendam. Edited by InThane March 8, 2021, 05:13:39 PM EST Expand All History
Post #438,613 by crazy 3/8/21 8:35:26 PM 3/8/21 8:35:26 PM Reply	Okay Brad
Post #438,622 by mmoffitt 3/9/21 8:31:07 AM 3/9/21 8:31:07 AM Reply	Donald. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #438,628 by Another Scott 3/9/21 11:16:22 AM 3/9/21 11:16:22 AM Reply	I think Karen transferred over ... from some Black Twitter meme, but probably got mixed in with Becky and took on a life of its own. I think it most strongly applies when white people threaten Black people ("Let me talk to your manager", "I'll call the cops", "I'll sue you", etc.). A friend of my uncle's was named "George". He didn't like it that people used George as a derogatory name. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #438,629 by drook 3/9/21 12:26:34 PM 3/9/21 12:28:07 PM Reply	Amazing it wasn't Kate, a la "John and Kate Plus 8" ... she's the literal archetype But yes, you're right about the origin. It was specifically about white women asserting their sense of entitlement against minorities, or others perceived to be lower station like retail workers. -- Drew Edited by drook March 9, 2021, 12:28:07 PM EST Expand All History

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