Post #437,133
11/10/20 8:15:11 AM
11/10/20 8:15:11 AM
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Even with a Biden victory, we're screwed with Covid.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and other Republicans on Monday backed President Trump’s efforts to contest his loss to President-elect Joe Biden, despite the lack of evidence of significant fraud and sharp rebukes from election officials who defended the integrity of the vote.
McConnell (R-Ky.) said from the floor of the Senate that the president is “100 percent within his right” to pursue recounts and litigation. McConnell did not repeat Trump’s baseless assertions that fraud had cost him the election, but he said he had met with Attorney General William P. Barr earlier in the day and supports the president’s right to investigate all claims of wrongdoing.
“We have the tools and institutions we need to address any concerns,” McConnell said. “The president has every right to look into allegations and request recounts under the law.”
Separately, Barr on Monday gave federal prosecutors a green light to pursue allegations of voting irregularities in certain cases before results are certified. The memo appeared to reverse previous Justice Department guidance that prosecutors generally should not take overt steps in cases involving alleged voter fraud until results are in and official.
Meanwhile, other GOP officials also rushed to bolster Trump’s case, including the two U.S. senators from Georgia, who demanded the resignation of Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, after his office said there was no evidence of widespread fraud in the state.
And the Republican attorneys general of about a dozen states threw their support behind a legal effort pending before the U.S. Supreme Court to throw out mail ballots in Pennsylvania that were received after Election Day — a small number of votes that state officials said would not be enough to change the outcome https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-republicans-election-challenges/2020/11/09/49e2c238-22c4-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.htmlWhile I don't think this attempted coup will ultimately be successful, I do know enough Trumpsters to know that they will not accept President Biden as their own and will consequently not do what is necessary to curtail Covid-19 (there's already an abundance of evidence of that). With regard to public health, democracy has failed because our system overvalues the input of our rural Luddites. These people are despicable. They are not just uninformed, they are ineducable. bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #437,135
11/10/20 9:35:21 AM
11/10/20 9:35:21 AM
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My fear is that Biden will become Carter 2.0
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Post #437,143
11/10/20 11:58:34 AM
11/10/20 11:58:34 AM
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He may not run again. He'll be 82 in November 2024. He might endorse Kamala.
bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #437,147
11/10/20 12:45:24 PM
11/10/20 12:45:40 PM
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I don't mean to imply in number of terms
He's already said he'll be a one term president.
I mean that he will be stymied in the Senate and largely seen as ineffective by people, so that the next Reagan wannabe who comes along will easily defeat him or whoever his anointed successor is.
Edited by InThane
Nov. 10, 2020, 12:45:40 PM EST
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Post #437,156
11/10/20 3:24:05 PM
11/10/20 3:24:05 PM
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Ah. Then a more apt comparison would be Obama. No?
bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #437,157
11/10/20 3:35:34 PM
11/10/20 3:35:34 PM
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True.
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Post #437,167
11/10/20 6:55:08 PM
11/10/20 6:55:08 PM
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Possible too.. his health (mental or physical) may urge 'spend-time w/family' exit
He might even die--no 'wishes' intended.
Kamala then gets Chance to endear? or melt-down.
Methinks that Biden is--in fact--a genuine Patriot--despite the dastardly Repo usage of that word
(as really is an epithet: in others' interpretation)--of just another Repo Lie.
Whatever his personal interpretation of Catholicism ... this scenario also fits the Ideals implicit in self-sacrifice.
[Spock-form]: "The needs of the many..." (when he got himself irradiated .. died.. later rejuvenated).
aka [ The Shadow ] radio show on Saturday nights--for us lucky tykes with real Radios: which encouraged, nay demanded! Imagination! of every 'scene'.
--not the puerile alleged improvements of Visuals. Which do all the imagining For You. Is our recent spawn grown smarter?
Just look at the folks who thought that the Menace's, 'I Am Powerful'--You're Fired! soap opera--a mere C-grade 'reality show' about a sleazy carnival-barker
--was depicting a Master of the World. You can't buy that level of naiveté ..but this one Sold-Out.
(Methinks it's a toss-up whether Biden's sincerity can trump the active-spinning of the Repo class, next.)
We still Suck ..bigly.
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Post #437,170
11/10/20 7:12:52 PM
11/10/20 7:12:52 PM
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I do believe he's got good intentions
He wasn't my choice for the office (I was a Warren supporter) but there's no question in my mind he'd be better for the office than Trump. Really, the problem isn't him, but the hand he's been dealt - it's a prescription for his admin looking a lot like the last six years of Obama's, the Senate in Republican hands blocking his every move.
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Post #437,174
11/10/20 11:36:20 PM
11/10/20 11:36:20 PM
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Do you realize that Warren would have lost to Trump?
My priority was to take out Trump. So, I financially supported Biden from day one. Trump agreed with me, which is why he got impeached. Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #437,179
11/11/20 9:39:38 AM
11/11/20 9:39:38 AM
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You join several I know in that 'Hobson's Choice', including mine.
She was /is brilliant--thus anathema to the Fascisti amongst us. The idea of mollifying either side to the mental-state of the other
appears to be as chimerical a goal as respecting [fill-in-box] Steve Bannon, Stephen MIller or any of the same cult.
(The ones who quit, OTOH redeemed selves), whether Believers at first or waded-in to try to manage the child-man all the way
up to at least a fifth grade intellect. Biden seems to be on a fool's errand ..yet no fool really; merely a humane mensch attempting
to do battle with hordes of savages--against all odds.
Eerie isn't it? that such a concentration of Opposites lie as giant-peaks In opposition; the differences are much
larger than the unCivil War patois. This is an..anti-Gaussian! curve.
Was this (our local fate) ordained 400 years back--when the first slave-buyers 'colored' Everything ... up to yesterday?
Methinks we're doomed on too many levels to count. Too many ISIS-grade cowards amidst the tribes, here.
Our motto: 'Hell hath no fury like' ... US. I am unanimous in that. The planet will abide--starting over with
bizarre simple organisms ..for another dice throw at 'Natural Selection'?'
[Meanwhile: a one Can enjoy the cosmic humour] and its inescapable Justice. For becoming the lemmings.
YMMV; (moi? ..I haven't done this before)
so I'm just winging the daily Illusion. But eliminating the Cha. Cha. ch-Cha. :-)
(I sympathize with all who have descendants; there can be no Joy ameliorating That horror show). :-/
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Post #437,197
11/11/20 11:52:19 PM
11/11/20 11:52:19 PM
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She may get to be Secretary of the Treasury.
Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #437,207
11/12/20 10:22:51 AM
11/12/20 10:22:51 AM
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How would her successor be chosen?
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Post #437,213
11/12/20 4:37:24 PM
11/12/20 4:37:24 PM
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Initially the governor appoints a replacement.
Then a few months later, there is a special election. Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #437,219
11/12/20 7:01:06 PM
11/12/20 7:01:06 PM
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With control of the Senate in the balance, I don't think they'll risk another vote ...
... unless they're really confident in their polling.
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Post #437,252
11/13/20 11:31:33 PM
11/13/20 11:31:33 PM
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MA is very much a blue state. But, not perfectly blue. :)
Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #437,180
11/11/20 10:47:43 AM
11/11/20 10:47:43 AM
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Prove it.
I backed her because she was a progressive bulldog that was acceptable to the "moderate" wing of the Democratic party. She didn't have the same "fuck you" attitude Bernie Sanders had, and she had some great ideas for reform. In fact, I think she had a good shot at the nomination until Sanders jumped in and split the progressive wing. That allowed Biden to unify the conservative wing of the Democratic party by getting everybody else to bow out.
I'll take Biden, mind you - I voted for him in the general. I still think Warren was the better choice overall. There's a lot of people who don't want "business as usual" who either stayed home or voted for Trump because Biden was the "establishment" choice. I think they're fucking idiots, but Warren would have at least had some cred in that department.
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Post #437,198
11/12/20 12:13:09 AM
11/12/20 12:13:09 AM
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Well, Biden did not make it by much in the "battleground" states.
In Florida he did not make it because the Cuban and Venezuelan Latinos bought tRump lies labeling Biden as a socialist on the way to making US communist.
Pocahontas was proposing revolutionary changes in taxes. People with money would have funded successful campaigns to paint her as a communist. Lying in political ads is not a problem as I'm sure you've noticed.
I actually agree with her proposals. It just has to be evolved at a slow pace. Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #437,205
11/12/20 9:41:03 AM
11/12/20 9:41:03 AM
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Biden's ground game sucked.
I remember reading articles months ago about how his outreach to Hispanic communities was almost nonexistent. (I think it was Julian Castro complaining about it, but not sure) His coattails didn't bring anybody along with him for the most part; Democrats lost ground in the House and probably won't have the Senate either. Biden didn't so much win as Trump lost because of his completely incompetent response to COVID-19 IMO - people voted for Biden because they were tired of Trump, but then went down and voted for their Republican Senators and Representatives.
(By the way, STOP FUCKING CALLING HER POCAHONTAS. Thanks for doing Trump's work for him. Hell, I thought I had Native American blood based on family oral tradition until my dad did 23 and me - turns out we don't, but we do have a drop or two of African American DNA, which may be why one of my extremely racist great aunts suddenly stopped doing her family tree research without explanation.)
Warren had a great grassroots network going. She had a lot of broad-base support from the left of the Democrats that unfortunately Sanders took when he showed up to poop on the primaries. Most of all, she wasn't afraid to fight against the Republicans, which is a big fucking weakness with Democrats these days. They're terrified somebody is going to call them a liberal or a socialist, and they run around with their tails between their legs hiding the fact that Moscow Mitch took their balls and keeps them in a jar on his desk.
This is the other side of the problem - the Republican party is FUCKING EVIL. Not "hey, these guys could be redeemable some day", no, they are literally willing to burn the country down if they're not the ones running it. Hell, they're willing to burn down the country even if they are running it.
Biden's going to go all "Oh hey, wouldn't it be nice if we were friends again?", the Republicans are going to cut his balls off and put them on Moscow Mitch's desk, and in two years HUGE red wave over manufactured Democratic incompetence. I hope I'm wrong, but *shrug*.
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Post #437,214
11/12/20 4:54:12 PM
11/12/20 4:54:12 PM
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For sure, Biden's ground game could have been better.
They did nothing on Florida's Latino radio.
They focused on the battleground Mid-west states. What used to be the "blue wall".
But the losses in the down ballot were because Trump's base really turned out to vote. More of them turned out this year than back in 2016 when Trump won.
I used the Pocahontas name only to show that Trump was ready to take her on. Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #437,177
11/11/20 8:17:46 AM
11/11/20 8:17:46 AM
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Until the Senate is reformed, it won't matter which non-Repo is in the White House.
Hayseed states (you know who they are) are awarded entirely too much representation in our federal government. Unless and until we do something about that, this country is always going to have either crippled government or neo-fascism led by morons. bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #437,199
11/12/20 12:18:59 AM
11/12/20 12:18:59 AM
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Well, earlier today I made my first donation to the Jon Ossoff campaign.
He's in the runoff election in Georgia. Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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