How's that faith-based life treating you?

Post #398,027 by drook 1/13/15 8:42:00 AM Reply	How's that faith-based life treating you? Once, people couldn't accept that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, despite mountains of evidence. Some people can't accept that other races are fully human, despite mountains of evidence. Some people can't accept that man's activities affect climate, despite mountains of evidence. You can't accept that people actually believe the tenets of their religion ... -- Drew
Post #398,030 by mmoffitt 1/13/15 9:58:50 AM Reply	What exists in your first 3 that doesn't in the last? A: Evidence.
Post #398,033 by drook 1/13/15 10:25:08 AM Reply	Missing my point (intentionally?) I'm not saying there's evidence in support of their beliefs. I'm saying there's evidence that they believe it. You've stated clearly you "don't accept" that they actually believe it. * They say they believe it. * They take actions that can only be explained by the fact they believe it. * They're willing to kill or die to defend it. This isn't about their faith, it's about yours. You refuse the evidence in front of you because it doesn't fit with your worldview. You can't engage rationally with a reality you deny. -- Drew
Post #398,034 by mmoffitt 1/13/15 10:33:14 AM Reply	If they actually believe it, they've been conned. Protesting that they believe it and/or taking actions to suggest they believe it could be driven by fear. Religions are great at instilling fear.
Post #398,036 by malraux 1/13/15 10:48:47 AM Reply	Religious education starts at age 0. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #398,037 by boxley 1/13/15 11:12:25 AM Reply	why do you care? did a hot blonde xian turn you down in your misspent yout? You can believe anything you want, its fine with me as long as you stay out of my wallet and bedroom. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #398,038 by mmoffitt 1/13/15 11:40:22 AM 1/13/15 11:40:40 AM Reply	Because Islam is teaching the lesser minds that if somebody draws a picture, you should kill them. And while there is plenty-o-support for violence in the Xian bibbles, most of them don't actually act upon it. Edited by mmoffitt Jan. 13, 2015, 11:40:40 AM EST Expand All History
Post #398,040 by boxley 1/13/15 11:57:22 AM Reply	no, islam is not teaching that, Nut jobs are teaching that to poorly educated muslims Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #398,041 by mmoffitt 1/13/15 1:58:39 PM Reply	Really? Even at Oxford? We have to make it clear that—there should be no confusion—Islamophobia is the racism, is the—but it’s only as citizens, it’s only in the critical debate, it’s only with all the forces and all the trends within our societies that are against any type of racism, that we are going to resist and reform the minds and the hearts of our fellow citizens. And it could never be accepted, never be supported, such actions that are now instrumentalizing some of the frustrations that we have in the West as to, you know, equal citizenship and racism, and using this to support what is in fact not acceptable and has to be condemned. http://www.democracynow.org/2015/1/7/leading_muslim_scholar_tariq_ramadan_attack Let me understand this. If I criticize Islam, I am a racist Islamophobe. And because of that, these poor, downtrodden Muslims are resorting to unacceptable means of "instrumentalizing some of the frustrations that we[they] have in the West." If we'd only be kinder to these fascists, they'd behave for us. That about it? It cannot be "racism" to have deep hatred of Islam for the simple reason that religion != race. You can change your religion, but, ... oh, that's right, if you are a Muslim you can't, else you'll be killed. Yes, he's right. What an enlightened group of fucking people. Why wouldn't we want to sit down and discuss with them any number of topics?
Post #398,042 by boxley 1/13/15 2:11:49 PM Reply	" this is just a pure betrayal of our religion and our principles, that that’s not acceptable" Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #398,043 by mmoffitt 1/13/15 2:12:33 PM Reply	Right. Followed by, "But ..."
Post #398,045 by boxley 1/13/15 2:14:28 PM Reply	"But by any, any standard, we have to condemn what was done, and say it clearly: " Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #398,046 by mmoffitt 1/13/15 2:57:11 PM Reply	He claims to understand why they did it in my quote. He's equally culpable. Platitudes aside.
Post #398,048 by Ashton 1/13/15 4:26:04 PM 1/13/15 4:51:38 PM Reply	So then, having seen the vid. of Tariq Ramadan -vs-HItchens, and maybe Harris -vs- Craig (?)--and the number of nested conditional-clauses within every sentence, tip-toeing around the Islam predicament du jou--aren't we left with: Teachers of Islam Fix-it, in their curriculum, in clear direct language and act to curb their own extremist killers OR !=Muslims everywhere are apt to act in the manner reliably chosen in similar clusterfucks, after all debates fail. Of course too, Islam is not alone in the vast r e s t r a i n t of Robed-leaders in most religions, ever to expel? or otherwise punish significantly: their homicidal %small. But Techno has rendered that %small of THIS religion universally active and in increasingly bestial ways. Acts which directly attack all the basic concepts of any social order (including: attacks within and on, their own culture, of the acid in child's face level.) On far less provocation than these-all, in recent years: n other States have gone to war with others. Now, it is not State -vs-State, but a sufficient %Islamics-vs-Every-State (as promulgated in their very-own Screed, with human-inscribed Words attributed to [The Only God evah! worth killing everyone-else Over.] (Nor is there even an escape-clause for those sect-members who'd like to flee Islam: Death seems #1 through #100 of the top bestial punishments for quite more than apostasy. Catch 22) W.T.F. do you think ... is Next? Turned on KDFC: Dickie Wagner playing. From the Götterdammerung. Coincidence? ..depends upon one's view of Cosmic Humor, I guess. Wagner really knows how to 'play a slapstick-Act off the stage', though: swell to ƒƒƒƒ I think I'm hearing prescient echoes for that Next.. more C. Humor? the ancient, now Corporate sects originated in the caves we are possibly loping towards. Edited by Ashton Jan. 13, 2015, 04:51:38 PM EST Expand All History

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