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New SImply: you Can't get There.. from Here, IMO.
It would be necessary
to reverse the Winner-takes-all mentality behind virtually all financial/mercantile transactions. [And votes! ... in another sense.]
to alter greatly the concept of 'Incorporation' in Murica, with even more-stringent checks/balances on any multi-nationals (ours or theirs.) 'People'?. My ass.
to alter taxation: based on Wealth (at least as a factor) and not merely the easily-massaged fiction of 'annual income'.
(It would be nice.. if.. the USSC all dined together to celebrate something, and the fish was rilly-bad (while throwing in a Unicorn, too.))

It would be essential (and will be--increasingly as the planet races towards a lethal environment) that the purloined $Trillions already extracted by compounded System-gamimg:
be recaptured significantly, not merely to take the Fat out of our entire Med/Pharmchem Industrial Cartels, (including the expectations of MDs et al)
.. but to Seriously prepare for [any future at all] worth a pitcher of warm spit.. by, say 2060.

You couldn't alter these koans unless Murica suddenly yearned to become as civilized as.. the other wealthy countries.
It would be a basic Revolution, bloody as usual though not inescapably: depending entirely upon how quickly a plurality of the population Could -???- grow. up.

I can't imagine Euro-style Med funding with any of these elements unsettled. Single-Payer is a chimera in a country as historically ignorant, gullible and superstitious
--and as physically deteriorated (as so many Muricans Are today) and worse.. as mentally deranged. Just look around at Our Performance on. all. scales. ... qed
(And.. we'll never Know: to what extent (re Obama's 'deal' with the $$Overlords) he was out-schemed? OR [more likely, I wot] flat out-Gunned. $$$==Power==purchased votes..

The Fascistic streak, now so increasingly evident in the bloviations of the loudest minorities (collectively already a plurality?) will confound any political action
in the direction of any parts of the above.
So, Yes: we're fucked. Unless and Until: some Very-fucking-Unusual Event galvanizes authentic epiphanies ... amongst millions. [!!111ONE!11]
Hey, I don't recall ever suggesting that the odds FOR our 'survival' were very good, all insanities considered; I suggested many times that, simply: we still have this teensy-Chance.

(Oh.. And: I quite admire Scott's equanimity in the face of soo Many systems clearly in extremis; perhaps he sees the glass only 70% empty?)
But I, having been near-enough sentient during both assassinations--especially the Crucial RFK-elimination--and having 'plotted' the slope of the curve ever-since:
do not believe in religio-miracles as would be Required: ever to counter the miserable stats-to-date of our deservedly crumbling, sanctimonious tribe of (self-deluding) crass narcissists.
(I regret that I have but one-life (not to give) for-my-country, wrong, or Wrong.)
New Largely concur.
About a revolution being necessary (hence my semi-jocular allusion to "ammunition acquisition mode"), that is.

I think in a different century and in a different country, Scott and I would be arguing over whether or not the Duma would save us.
New There will always be things to argue about. ;-)
     Don't get angry, get determined. - (Another Scott) - (80)
         so paying a shitload of cash to inurance companies - (boxley) - (37)
             I always thought... - (Another Scott) - (36)
                 have a free anecdote - (boxley)
                 Wow. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                     Nice. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott)
                 Sound like that political guy**... - (folkert) - (27)
                     I'm trying to be realistic here. - (Another Scott) - (26)
                         That's the BEST argument YET for Single Payer. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                             When you can find 60 votes in the Senate for it, we'll talk. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 Things change... - (folkert)
                             Ding ding ding! -NT - (folkert)
                         Thanks for clarification. - (folkert)
                         cherokee country school district isn't a 1% - (boxley) - (20)
                             Schools are being strangled by various factors. - (Another Scott) - (19)
                                 excuses? not hardly bolded portion mine - (boxley) - (18)
                                     More... - (Another Scott) - (17)
                                         from the same document, bold is mine - (boxley) - (16)
                                             Keep ignoring everything else... - (Another Scott) - (15)
                                                 not ignoring anything - (boxley) - (14)
                                                     We disagree. -NT - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                                         that obamacare costs are going to double here? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (12)
                                                             The only reason... - (folkert) - (1)
                                                                 how easily they forget - (boxley)
                                                             Yup. That's not "Obamacare" costing more, but stupidity. - (CRConrad)
                                                             Money is fungible. You know this. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                                                 still trying to deny that the cost will double - (boxley) - (7)
                                                                     <sigh> - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                         okay, catch you in the next thread - (boxley)
                                                                     Holy fuck, are you really that stupid? - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                                         explainin to the ignorant furriner read th comment this time - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                             Yep. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                 That's why the Republicans have voted to repeal it, amirite? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                     You expect *ME* to explain Republican thought processes? -NT - (mmoffitt)
                 Now, I'm a supporter... - (malraux) - (4)
                     Understood. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         It's "the bill you like least". - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                             See my reply below. -NT - (Another Scott)
                             Here's the full quote. - (Another Scott)
         before folkert gets penis firmly in hand - (boxley) - (41)
             Purity or Nothing, right? - (Another Scott) - (39)
                 Answer to (1) - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                     Question. - (folkert) - (2)
                         You've got a point. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             Ineffectual for certain things... - (folkert)
                     What color unicorn would you like with that? - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         Objection. Asked and Answered. - (mmoffitt)
                         Welp, you've made this forum a lot easier to traverse. - (hnick) - (1)
                             <sigh> - (Another Scott)
                 Answer to (2): No question. He absolutely would. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (30)
                     Evidence, please. - (Another Scott) - (29)
                         Ask and Ye shall receive. - (mmoffitt) - (28)
                             FDL speculation isn't evidence. - (Another Scott) - (27)
                                 Here's our difference. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                     Expect your unicorn any day now. I'm sure it'll be great. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                         Not looking for one. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                             Enjoy your bunker then. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     SImply: you Can't get There.. from Here, IMO. - (Ashton) - (2)
                                         Largely concur. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                             There will always be things to argue about. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     The "pre-existing" thing is still an issue. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                         I'm sure in pockets it is still a problem. - (mmoffitt) - (12)
                                             A brilliant example of - (jake123) - (11)
                                                 I'm unconvinced the ACA is better than what was. - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                                                     50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can - (jake123) - (1)
                                                         Re: 50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can - (boxley)
                                                     Guess who said this... - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                                         As from the get-go: S i n g l e - P a y e r is the Only Sane - (Ashton)
                                                         St Raygun? -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                                                             Guessing from the URL you weren't supposed to peek at... - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                                 Hush! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                 Yeah, a champion of Single Payer in Vermont. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     And yet he supported the PPACA. Imagine that. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                         He's a sixteenth of a loaf fan. - (mmoffitt)
                                 Evidence has a habit of disappearing from the tubes. - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                     Archive.org is your friend. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                         Re: Archive.org is your friend. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                             No time to address everything. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                 No time. Will be back tomorrow. Same Bat Channel, ... ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                 Okay, I'll revise. - (mmoffitt)
             Remember, I learned it from watching you! -NT - (folkert)

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