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New A brilliant example of
the perfect being the enemy of the good.

The ACA is better than what came before. Why shit on people for supporting something that's not ideal but better than what came before?

Then start working on the next iteration of Something Better Than What Came Before.
New I'm unconvinced the ACA is better than what was.
Or even significantly different from what came before. With one exception: it is now the unassailable law of the land that Americans are born owing private corporations a profit. Whatever arguable good the ACA does, it is vastly overwhelmed by that simple fact. Obama had 2/3rds of the People behind him, his political party had a super-majority in the Senate and enough support in the House to at least pass a bill with an option for Single Payer. He fought that option tooth-and-nail from the very first hearings on health care reform. It was the White House who would not let Nader speak in those hearings and it was the White House who would not let even the President of the American Medical Association testify at those hearings because they were in favor of Single Payer, and Obama (the "Change We Can Believe In" President) was opposed to Single Payer above all else. Others can let him off the hook for that in their ceaseless apologizing of the President and his policies, but I'll not join their ranks.
New 50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can
That's an improvement.
New Re: 50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can
if they can afford it
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New Guess who said this...
"It is a good day for 30 million uninsured Americans who will have access to healthcare. It is a good day for seniors who will continue to see their prescription drug costs go down as the so-called doughnut hole goes away. It is a good day for small businesses who simply cannot continue to afford the escalating costs of providing insurance for their employees. It is a good day for 20 million Americans who will soon be able to find access to community health centers.

"It is an especially good day for the state of Vermont, which stands to receive hundreds of millions of dollars in additional federal funds to help our state achieve universal health care.

"In my view, while the Affordable Care Act is an important step in the right direction and I am glad that the Supreme Court upheld it, [...]


No fair peaking at the URL. ;-)

http://www.sanders.s...97CA-18865C0EB0C3

Cheers,
Scott.
New As from the get-go: S i n g l e - P a y e r is the Only Sane
OPTION--to millions of people demonstrably smarter-than the Σ-vox-populi of the U.S.
But FIRST--as Always--we must 'try' all the self-serving, crass-conceived Alternatives-to-SANE.

Because: That is what made Murica what It Is today. [Fill-in _____ ]

GOOO --> Bernie!
New St Raygun?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New Guessing from the URL you weren't supposed to peek at...
...somebody named Sanders, probably in the Senate.

Isn't there a Bernie Sanders in American politics?
--
Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New Hush!
;-)
New Yeah, a champion of Single Payer in Vermont.
New And yet he supported the PPACA. Imagine that.
New He's a sixteenth of a loaf fan.
For everybody else, that is. ;0)

No, I like Bernie, but he used the ACA in order to get Single Payer in his state. He also switched his political affiliation from Socialist to Independent a few years back. So, he's a pragmatist. He knows that folks like the Obama Administration and his fellow career politicians are beholding to large corporations and he does the best he can by his constituents. In this case, he got the brass ring for Vermont: a single payer health plan.
     Don't get angry, get determined. - (Another Scott) - (80)
         so paying a shitload of cash to inurance companies - (boxley) - (37)
             I always thought... - (Another Scott) - (36)
                 have a free anecdote - (boxley)
                 Wow. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                     Nice. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott)
                 Sound like that political guy**... - (folkert) - (27)
                     I'm trying to be realistic here. - (Another Scott) - (26)
                         That's the BEST argument YET for Single Payer. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                             When you can find 60 votes in the Senate for it, we'll talk. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 Things change... - (folkert)
                             Ding ding ding! -NT - (folkert)
                         Thanks for clarification. - (folkert)
                         cherokee country school district isn't a 1% - (boxley) - (20)
                             Schools are being strangled by various factors. - (Another Scott) - (19)
                                 excuses? not hardly bolded portion mine - (boxley) - (18)
                                     More... - (Another Scott) - (17)
                                         from the same document, bold is mine - (boxley) - (16)
                                             Keep ignoring everything else... - (Another Scott) - (15)
                                                 not ignoring anything - (boxley) - (14)
                                                     We disagree. -NT - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                                         that obamacare costs are going to double here? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (12)
                                                             The only reason... - (folkert) - (1)
                                                                 how easily they forget - (boxley)
                                                             Yup. That's not "Obamacare" costing more, but stupidity. - (CRConrad)
                                                             Money is fungible. You know this. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                                                 still trying to deny that the cost will double - (boxley) - (7)
                                                                     <sigh> - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                         okay, catch you in the next thread - (boxley)
                                                                     Holy fuck, are you really that stupid? - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                                         explainin to the ignorant furriner read th comment this time - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                             Yep. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                 That's why the Republicans have voted to repeal it, amirite? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                     You expect *ME* to explain Republican thought processes? -NT - (mmoffitt)
                 Now, I'm a supporter... - (malraux) - (4)
                     Understood. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         It's "the bill you like least". - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                             See my reply below. -NT - (Another Scott)
                             Here's the full quote. - (Another Scott)
         before folkert gets penis firmly in hand - (boxley) - (41)
             Purity or Nothing, right? - (Another Scott) - (39)
                 Answer to (1) - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                     Question. - (folkert) - (2)
                         You've got a point. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             Ineffectual for certain things... - (folkert)
                     What color unicorn would you like with that? - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         Objection. Asked and Answered. - (mmoffitt)
                         Welp, you've made this forum a lot easier to traverse. - (hnick) - (1)
                             <sigh> - (Another Scott)
                 Answer to (2): No question. He absolutely would. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (30)
                     Evidence, please. - (Another Scott) - (29)
                         Ask and Ye shall receive. - (mmoffitt) - (28)
                             FDL speculation isn't evidence. - (Another Scott) - (27)
                                 Here's our difference. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                     Expect your unicorn any day now. I'm sure it'll be great. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                         Not looking for one. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                             Enjoy your bunker then. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     SImply: you Can't get There.. from Here, IMO. - (Ashton) - (2)
                                         Largely concur. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                             There will always be things to argue about. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     The "pre-existing" thing is still an issue. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                         I'm sure in pockets it is still a problem. - (mmoffitt) - (12)
                                             A brilliant example of - (jake123) - (11)
                                                 I'm unconvinced the ACA is better than what was. - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                                                     50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can - (jake123) - (1)
                                                         Re: 50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can - (boxley)
                                                     Guess who said this... - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                                         As from the get-go: S i n g l e - P a y e r is the Only Sane - (Ashton)
                                                         St Raygun? -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                                                             Guessing from the URL you weren't supposed to peek at... - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                                 Hush! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                 Yeah, a champion of Single Payer in Vermont. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     And yet he supported the PPACA. Imagine that. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                         He's a sixteenth of a loaf fan. - (mmoffitt)
                                 Evidence has a habit of disappearing from the tubes. - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                     Archive.org is your friend. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                         Re: Archive.org is your friend. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                             No time to address everything. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                 No time. Will be back tomorrow. Same Bat Channel, ... ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                 Okay, I'll revise. - (mmoffitt)
             Remember, I learned it from watching you! -NT - (folkert)

5000 years from now, they'll all be mystified and have their tourist pics snapped in front of it.
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