Post #379,303
8/14/13 9:14:40 PM
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Keep ignoring everything else...
http://portal.cherok.../OGP/default.aspx
Executive Summary - Tentative Budget 2009-10
The proposed Tentative Budget, which does not include a property tax/millage rate increase, addresses the major challenges facing the School District resulting from: significant declines in State and Local revenue; continued State Âausterity budget reductionsÂ; a legislatively-required Local Property Tax valuation freeze; a continued increase in student population growth; capital outlay costs for construction of schools and support facilities, land purchases for future school sites, as well as technology replacements and enhancements; opening of the new Mill Creek Middle school; escalating energy and health care costs; and the extraordinary impact of a continuing pattern of State unfunded and underfunded mandates (e.g., transportation, special education, textbooks, etc.)Â
requiring the utilization of additional local resources to meet critical needs.
Executive Summary - Tentative Budget 2010-11
The proposed 2010-11 Tentative Budget reflects one of the most financially challenging budget years that the School District has ever had to cope with . . . in preparing a balanced budget for consideration by the Board of Education. It addresses: continued/increasing State educational funding reductions of $25 Million in fiscal year 2010-11, which temporarily are bolstered by Federal Stimulus Funds of $3.2 Million  and which will be totally depleted in 2011-12; a significant decline of $12.8 Million in local property tax funding due to residential foreclosures, property value devaluation and a legislatively-required local property tax valuation cap/freeze; a continued increase in student population growth - projected at 653 students; capital outlay costs for construction of schools and support facilities, land purchases for future school sites, as well as technology replacements and enhancements; opening of the R.M. Moore classroom addition and the addition of 10th grade at the new River Ridge High School; escalating energy and health care costs; and the extraordinary impact of a continuing pattern of State unfunded and underfunded mandates (e.g., transportation, special education, textbooks, etc.) . . . requiring the utilization of additional local resources to meet critical needs. In addition to making over $28 Million in General Fund/Operating Budget cuts necessary as a result of these extraordinary shortfalls in State and Local revenue, and to maintain a quality educational program for our students, I am recommending a one mill property tax/millage rate increase to balance the 2010-11 Budget. All other options would cause irreparable damage to the educational services and programs offered by CCSD to its students in 2010-11 and thereafter.
Executive Summary - Tentative Budget 2012-13
The proposed 2012-13 Tentative Budget reflects another year of the most financial challenges with which the School District has ever had to cope in preparing an annual balanced budget for consideration by the Board of Education. Over the last eleven years, CCSD has witnessed over $147.6 Million of accumulative State Education Funding earnings being withheld from the School District by the StateÂ
theoretically to help balance the StateÂs Budget during a time period of unprecedented economic downturn and has also faced an additional $30.4 Million reduction (24.3% decline in property values) in collection of local property taxes over the last four years.
Accordingly, the 2012-13 Tentative Budget addresses: continued State Education Funding reductions (so-called Âausterity cutsÂ) of $26.5 Million; another significant decline of $9.3 Million in local property tax funding due to residential foreclosures and property assessment devaluation; a continued increase in student population growth - projected at 292 students; capital outlay costs for construction of schools, technology replacements and enhancements; opening of the new Clark Creek Elementary School, the replacement Ball Ground Elementary School and the addition of 12th grade at the new River Ridge High School; escalating State cost shifts to local school districts in health care and teacher retirement benefits; and the extraordinary impact of a continuing pattern of State unfunded and underfunded mandates (e.g., transportation, special education, textbooks, etc.) Â
requiring the necessary utilization of additional budget cuts/reductions to meet critical operational needs. As a result of these continued shortfalls in State and Local revenue, and to maintain a quality educational program for our students, over $22.8 Million is required in additional operating budget cuts for 2012-13Â
beyond the $37.5 Million of the current yearÂs budget reductions/cost containment, which includes the addition of four furlough days to the already existing four days (for a total of eight furlough days) for full-time employees.
Yup. It's all Obamacare's fault. Just like you said. Yup.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,325
8/15/13 9:41:53 AM
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not ignoring anything
you stated that 1% are being petty about cutting employees and hours. You have also parroted about the savings of obama cares.
I reply that our school district had to outsource custodial work because obamacare was going to DOUBLE the premiums for ALL school distric employees but the district is only required to privide that level of care for employees. They can't outsource teachers.
All of your harumphing, hand waving and misdirection about lack of funding for schools doesn't make the fact that obamacare costs are going to double here and that fact caused people to lose benefits and get outsourced. That is the ONLY reason they were outsourced.
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Post #379,326
8/15/13 9:44:37 AM
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We disagree.
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Post #379,327
8/15/13 9:46:20 AM
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that obamacare costs are going to double here? :-)
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Post #379,328
8/15/13 9:52:36 AM
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The only reason...
they are going to double... is that your state is fighting it.
Seems that states that embrace it are seeing HUGE reductions in premiums.
Funny that happens huh? I can't imagine why putting huge road blocks in the way and forcing a WHOLE OTHER system to be setup, is making the costs higher. Color me boxley.
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Post #379,331
8/15/13 10:22:40 AM
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how easily they forget
the deals made by states for votes 4.3 billion in the case of louisiana
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Post #379,330
8/15/13 9:58:16 AM
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Yup. That's not "Obamacare" costing more, but stupidity.
Aided and abetted -- and in effect, therefore, partly provided -- by you and ornery cunts like you.
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Post #379,333
8/15/13 10:41:59 AM
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Money is fungible. You know this.
http://gbpi.org/loca...re-the-new-normal
ÂThis status quo that weÂre having now with shorter school days, higher classes, furlough days, shorter school years, all the ways the local districts are managing their budget shortfalls, all of that will continue, Essig added.
How did Georgia get to this point?
First, nearly a decade state cuts to education. Ten years ago the state contributed 60 percent of school district funds.
ÂRight now, itÂs 50-50, Essig said.
On top of that, systems must cope with a significant drop in local funding.
ÂAs a result of the great recession and the housing crisis weÂre facing, a huge drop in property taxes across the state, Essig said.
Third, and new this year: the state is no longer paying health insurance for non-certified employees such as bus drivers, custodians, and cafeteria workers.
ÂAll of those things combined are causing significant budget deficits in schools across the state, Essig said.
Emphasis added.
Obummer didn't make Georgia cut their insurance payments to school employees. Your Republican elected representatives did that.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,338
8/15/13 11:25:29 AM
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still trying to deny that the cost will double
which is why cherokee county had to outsource. Without the doubling due to obamacare we could have come up with the cash. That question was asked and answered in the meeting.
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Post #379,341
8/15/13 11:44:02 AM
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<sigh>
I'm only willing to butt heads with that brick wall head of yours so many times... :-)
http://dch.georgia.g...Budgets_May_9.pdf (26 page .PDF):
See pages 22-23.
FY13
Increase employee premiums 2% ($6,881,250) due to increased costs as a result of the requirements of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
FY14
Increase employee premiums 2% ($11,966,438) due to increased costs as a result of the requirements of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
All of the other revenue increases for the Georgia Department of Community Heath (which runs the schools' health insurance program) is a result of choices by your elected officials. Not Obamacare.
I think I'm done with this topic.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,342
8/15/13 12:03:01 PM
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okay, catch you in the next thread
not sure why you were listing employee increases instead of school board increases but oh well
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Post #379,359
8/15/13 7:56:37 PM
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Holy fuck, are you really that stupid?
Here I thought it was you being weirdly Yanker-than-the-Yanks for some idiosyncratic gotta-fit-in reason related to you being a first-gen immigrant, but it's beginning to seem that perhaps you are actually really that duped by the Repo rhetoric. Newsflash, BOxy-boy: Just because they *say* it's a "doubling due to obamacare" doesn't mean that's actually what it is.
Or, what, is "obamacare" only going into effect in Georgia, and not in places like New York state? I was labouring under the impression that it was national, federal! How fucking wilfully blind are you being, not to be able to see that this is probably a doubling due to *Republican Georgia politicians trying to sabotage* "obamacare" that you're talking about?
It's one of the oldest tricks in the book: "Let's ratchet up the cost, and claim it's Obummer's fault!" And you're falling for that... Shee-it, man, and here I thought you were smarter than the average garden slug.
Please try to be.
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Post #379,372
8/15/13 9:54:28 PM
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explainin to the ignorant furriner read th comment this time
health care needs to be paid
there is this thing called money that has to come from somewhere to pay the healthcare
if you are a county school district government worker, your employer paid health care portion is paid by money usually collected from the realestate tax, income tax and sales taxes.
Income and most sales taxes are collected by the state
realestate and a small portion of the the sales tax is collected by the county.
School boards are local residents of the county, elected, only one teabagger out of seven and she is gonna get recalled if not convicted for filing a false police report.
The state has decided that they were no longer kicking in the portion of the employer paid part of non certified employees (non teachers)Republica assholes as Scott has referred to them
The county school boad decided ouch but we would find the money.
IMPORTANT PART
The state health care system is self funded. We do not pay insurance companies to do the health care. It is negotiated with the providers to get a cheap price and it is self funded.
That organization stated that the amount of money needed to cover obamacare changes would approximately double in 2014.
So funding cut FIRST then being told that not only funding cuts for non certified but payments needed to double because of obamacare requirements in 2014
The schoolboard then set out a proposal and accepted the deal fro Aramark.
Now you can join nother on the handwaving team or gather with greg on the drooling into their depends team if you wish. Costs will be going up dramatically because of obamacare provisions. Even some democrats in washington are recognising that.
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Post #379,381
8/16/13 9:14:42 AM
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Yep.
This bill was never about anything other than generating more revenue for private health insurance companies. That was the singular goal and no consideration was ever given to the impact on anything else. The attitude was and as long as Wall Street owns that Yankee government will always be: "Screw the people, Wall Street needs more of their money!" Nobody running a self-funded plan is making any money from premiums. So self-funders were never considered in the drafting of the legislation. The fact that a self-funded plan can even be contemplated by mid-size employers should be enough evidence that there is far too much profit being taken by people who contribute nothing to the delivery of healthcare in this country. But those very people - the privateers - are the only people the Yankee government cares about and works for (aside: arguably, s/works for/is owned by). The additional expenses of the ACA that defenders love to talk about were the crumbs that were fed to useful idiots (think most Democrats) as evidence that their representatives cared about them. But the cost for those "good parts of the Bill" that were designed to be born by private insurers were going to be offset in a HUGE way by the windfall that would be enjoyed by the private insurers.
Nobody but Big Pharma and Big Private Health Insurers were ever even considered in the drafting of the turd that is the ACA.
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Post #379,385
8/16/13 10:24:42 AM
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That's why the Republicans have voted to repeal it, amirite?
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Post #379,399
8/16/13 1:17:07 PM
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You expect *ME* to explain Republican thought processes?
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