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Post #379,250 by folkert 8/14/13 10:07:32 AM Reply	Question. Do you HONESTLY think that if a Medicare for All bill were introduced and Obama said he was ALL FOR IT!!!11!!!!... how long do you think it would take for it to be voted on... and what do you think the outcome would be in the House and Senate, regardless? And please be honest. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #379,259 by mmoffitt 8/14/13 10:36:27 AM Reply	You've got a point. Obama is, at best, an ineffectual leader.
Post #379,274 by folkert 8/14/13 12:59:38 PM Reply	Ineffectual for certain things... Other things, he is doing great. I don't particularly care about many things the hand waving right is doing. Nor do I ethically approve of some of the things Obama is excelling at. But... if the Extreme Right (which is in charge of the GOP at the moment) were to actually see the insanity in which they are progressing... pushing the Bell Curve so far right that the left has dropped off... I wonder what would happen if they weren't so damned adversarial. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C

Don't get angry, get determined. - (Another Scott) - (80) - Aug. 13, 2013, 09:51:50 PM EDT

so paying a shitload of cash to inurance companies - (boxley) - (37) - Aug. 13, 2013, 11:47:35 PM EDT

I always thought... - (Another Scott) - (36) - Aug. 14, 2013, 12:15:32 AM EDT

have a free anecdote - (boxley) - Aug. 14, 2013, 08:38:32 AM EDT

Wow. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2013, 09:35:20 AM EDT

Nice. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:03:33 AM EDT

Sound like that political guy**... - (folkert) - (27) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:25:28 AM EDT

I'm trying to be realistic here. - (Another Scott) - (26) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:37:45 AM EDT

That's the BEST argument YET for Single Payer. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:39:59 AM EDT

When you can find 60 votes in the Senate for it, we'll talk. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:43:43 AM EDT

Things change... - (folkert) - Aug. 14, 2013, 12:54:27 PM EDT

Ding ding ding! -NT - (folkert) - Aug. 14, 2013, 12:53:47 PM EDT

Thanks for clarification. - (folkert) - Aug. 14, 2013, 12:53:21 PM EDT

cherokee country school district isn't a 1% - (boxley) - (20) - Aug. 14, 2013, 05:42:26 PM EDT

Schools are being strangled by various factors. - (Another Scott) - (19) - Aug. 14, 2013, 05:47:33 PM EDT

excuses? not hardly bolded portion mine - (boxley) - (18) - Aug. 14, 2013, 05:57:20 PM EDT

More... - (Another Scott) - (17) - Aug. 14, 2013, 07:36:08 PM EDT

from the same document, bold is mine - (boxley) - (16) - Aug. 14, 2013, 08:38:46 PM EDT

Keep ignoring everything else... - (Another Scott) - (15) - Aug. 14, 2013, 09:14:40 PM EDT

not ignoring anything - (boxley) - (14) - Aug. 15, 2013, 09:41:53 AM EDT

We disagree. -NT - (Another Scott) - (13) - Aug. 15, 2013, 09:44:37 AM EDT

that obamacare costs are going to double here? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (12) - Aug. 15, 2013, 09:46:20 AM EDT

The only reason... - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2013, 09:52:36 AM EDT

how easily they forget - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2013, 10:22:40 AM EDT

Yup. That's not "Obamacare" costing more, but stupidity. - (CRConrad) - Aug. 15, 2013, 09:58:16 AM EDT

Money is fungible. You know this. - (Another Scott) - (8) - Aug. 15, 2013, 10:41:59 AM EDT

still trying to deny that the cost will double - (boxley) - (7) - Aug. 15, 2013, 11:25:29 AM EDT

<sigh> - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2013, 11:44:02 AM EDT

okay, catch you in the next thread - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2013, 12:03:01 PM EDT

Holy fuck, are you really that stupid? - (CRConrad) - (4) - Aug. 15, 2013, 07:56:37 PM EDT

explainin to the ignorant furriner read th comment this time - (boxley) - (3) - Aug. 15, 2013, 09:54:28 PM EDT

Yep. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2013, 09:14:42 AM EDT

That's why the Republicans have voted to repeal it, amirite? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2013, 10:24:42 AM EDT

You expect *ME* to explain Republican thought processes? -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 16, 2013, 01:17:07 PM EDT

Now, I'm a supporter... - (malraux) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:34:31 AM EDT

Understood. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:43:11 AM EDT

It's "the bill you like least". - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:51:09 AM EDT

See my reply below. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:52:06 AM EDT

Here's the full quote. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 14, 2013, 01:39:44 PM EDT

before folkert gets penis firmly in hand - (boxley) - (41) - Aug. 13, 2013, 11:50:48 PM EDT

Purity or Nothing, right? - (Another Scott) - (39) - Aug. 14, 2013, 12:17:48 AM EDT

Answer to (1) - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Aug. 14, 2013, 09:32:11 AM EDT

Question. - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:07:32 AM EDT

You've got a point. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:36:27 AM EDT

Ineffectual for certain things... - (folkert) - Aug. 14, 2013, 12:59:38 PM EDT

What color unicorn would you like with that? - (Another Scott) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:07:41 AM EDT

Objection. Asked and Answered. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:27:45 AM EDT

Welp, you've made this forum a lot easier to traverse. - (hnick) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2013, 05:04:19 PM EDT

<sigh> - (Another Scott) - Aug. 14, 2013, 05:13:19 PM EDT

Answer to (2): No question. He absolutely would. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (30) - Aug. 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM EDT

Evidence, please. - (Another Scott) - (29) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:06:18 AM EDT

Ask and Ye shall receive. - (mmoffitt) - (28) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:11:43 AM EDT

FDL speculation isn't evidence. - (Another Scott) - (27) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:19:29 AM EDT

Here's our difference. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:35:48 AM EDT

Expect your unicorn any day now. I'm sure it'll be great. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:39:22 AM EDT

Not looking for one. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:40:47 AM EDT

Enjoy your bunker then. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:44:14 AM EDT

SImply: you Can't get There.. from Here, IMO. - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2013, 05:23:32 AM EDT

Largely concur. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2013, 08:26:39 AM EDT

There will always be things to argue about. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 15, 2013, 09:20:14 AM EDT

The "pre-existing" thing is still an issue. - (Another Scott) - (13) - Sept. 5, 2013, 03:21:37 PM EDT

I'm sure in pockets it is still a problem. - (mmoffitt) - (12) - Sept. 5, 2013, 03:48:33 PM EDT

A brilliant example of - (jake123) - (11) - Sept. 6, 2013, 11:09:01 AM EDT

I'm unconvinced the ACA is better than what was. - (mmoffitt) - (10) - Sept. 6, 2013, 01:16:09 PM EDT

50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2013, 02:29:51 PM EDT

Re: 50 million people that couldn't get coverage now can - (boxley) - Sept. 6, 2013, 02:39:24 PM EDT

Guess who said this... - (Another Scott) - (7) - Sept. 6, 2013, 04:19:39 PM EDT

As from the get-go: S i n g l e - P a y e r is the Only Sane - (Ashton) - Sept. 7, 2013, 12:33:57 AM EDT

St Raygun? -NT - (boxley) - (5) - Sept. 7, 2013, 03:36:52 PM EDT

Guessing from the URL you weren't supposed to peek at... - (CRConrad) - (4) - Sept. 7, 2013, 04:37:34 PM EDT

Hush! -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 7, 2013, 06:21:26 PM EDT

Yeah, a champion of Single Payer in Vermont. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 8, 2013, 04:06:21 PM EDT

And yet he supported the PPACA. Imagine that. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 8, 2013, 04:11:39 PM EDT

He's a sixteenth of a loaf fan. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 8, 2013, 05:31:35 PM EDT

Evidence has a habit of disappearing from the tubes. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:47:23 AM EDT

Archive.org is your friend. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2013, 10:51:42 AM EDT

Re: Archive.org is your friend. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2013, 03:23:20 PM EDT

No time to address everything. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2013, 03:52:11 PM EDT

No time. Will be back tomorrow. Same Bat Channel, ... ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 14, 2013, 04:16:43 PM EDT

Okay, I'll revise. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 15, 2013, 11:36:01 AM EDT

Remember, I learned it from watching you! -NT - (folkert) - Aug. 14, 2013, 08:04:49 AM EDT

When you're as high-strung as I am, you should be paid to keep smoking.
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