Post #379,231
8/14/13 12:15:32 AM
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I always thought...
that companies hired people and set their hours based upon how much work needed to be done and how much money they leave on the table if they don't have enough people.
I used to think that benefits like health insurance was part of a worker's total compensation. If a boss cuts their workers hours, or increases the cost of their insurance, or eliminates their insurance, then the workers have the option of leaving. And then the company has the expense of hiring someone to replace those experienced workers who left, increasing their costs.
To hear the talking points over the last 5 years or so, I guess that's all wrong. I guess it doesn't work that way any more. Instead companies hire people and set their hours based on whether they get enough deference from everyone else. And they can cut hours and reduce benefits during a time when the economy is (slowly) growing and the rest of the workforce will be enjoying increased benefits (thanks to the PPACA) without consequences. Or something. :-/
http://www.irs.gov/u...r-Small-Employers
What You Need to Know about the Small Business Health Care Tax Credit
How will the credit make a difference for you?
For tax years 2010 through 2013, the maximum credit is 35 percent for small business employers and 25 percent for small tax-exempt employers such as charities. An enhanced version of the credit will be effective beginning Jan. 1, 2014. Additional information about the enhanced version will be added to IRS.gov as it becomes available. In general, on Jan. 1, 2014, the rate will increase to 50 percent and 35 percent, respectively.
HereÂs what this means for you. If you pay $50,000 a year toward workers health care premiums  and if you qualify for a 15 percent credit, you save Â
$7,500. If you save $7,500 a year from tax year 2010 through 2013, thatÂs total savings of $30,000. If, in 2014, you qualify for a slightly larger credit, say 20 percent, your savings go from $7,500 a year to $12,000 a year.
[...]
Can you claim the credit?
Now that you know how the credit can make a difference for your business, letÂs determine if you can claim it.
To be eligible, you must cover at least 50 percent of the cost of single (not family) health care coverage for each of your employees. You must also have fewer than 25 full-time equivalent employees (FTEs). Those employees must have average wages of less than $50,000 a year.
Let us break it down for you even more.
You are probably wondering: what IS a full-time equivalent employee. Basically, two half-time workers count as one full-timer. Here is an example, 20 half-time employees are equivalent to 10 full-time workers. That makes the number of FTEs 10 not 20.
Tyranny!!!1111
Obviously since the PPACA isn't perfect, it means that Obama is responsible for destroying the country and is just waiting for the right time to have the NSA swoop down with their black helicopters and throw us all in Gitmo for not spending 50% of our gross income on health insurance... http://www.thedailys...xtended-interview
Please.
Oh, also, too - http://thinkprogress...use-of-obamacare/
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,239
8/14/13 8:38:32 AM
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have a free anecdote
In March, Regal Entertainment Group, the country's largest chain of movie theaters, cut non-salaried employees' hours, citing the Affordable Care Act in a memo distributed to all staff. Regal Entertainment declined to comment on the memo.
Regal is not alone. A number of municipalities, school districts, and some businesses that rely on hourly workers have made similar announcements, or have said they are considering such a move.
my county just outsourced the custodial services for the school system to avoid the obamacare cost savings </snark>
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Post #379,245
8/14/13 9:35:20 AM
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Wow.
If a boss cuts their workers hours, or increases the cost of their insurance, or eliminates their insurance, then the workers have the option of leaving.
I never knew you had any latent, severe Nixonian "Love It or Leave It" attitudes.
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Post #379,247
8/14/13 10:03:33 AM
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Nice. :-/
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Post #379,255
8/14/13 10:25:28 AM
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Sound like that political guy**...
That said something on the order of:
"Why don't they {Victims of sexual harassment} quit once the so-called harassment starts? If not, the harassed cannot escape some responsibility for the problem. Seeking protection under the civil rights legislation is hardly acceptable"
Wow, Another Scott, sure does sound like you, trotting out something like this.
(Yes, please take it the way it is meant, not some attack)
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Post #379,260
8/14/13 10:37:45 AM
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I'm trying to be realistic here.
I recognize as well as anyone the hardship that changing jobs can cause.
My point could certainly have been expressed better, but I think it stands. The relationship between an employer and an employee is always a compromise and based on an implicit bargain. That does not mean that I believe the relationship is a bargain between equals. There is obviously a power disparity, and obviously fundamental rights can come into play.
I was trying to illustrate that the 1%ers line that 'OMG we'll have to cut hours if the PPACA is enacted' is only one talking point on one side of the issue. Companies don't hire people or assign hours based on the goodness of their hearts. They do it based on the need to have people to earn money. If they cut hours because their feelings are hurt or because they believe that a basic insurance policy is going to cost them $15k/yr for a $30k/yr employee, then they're letting emotion and stupid political talking points blind them to reality. And they deserve what they get when their employees leave and their business fails.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,262
8/14/13 10:39:59 AM
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That's the BEST argument YET for Single Payer.
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Post #379,265
8/14/13 10:43:43 AM
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When you can find 60 votes in the Senate for it, we'll talk.
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Post #379,273
8/14/13 12:54:27 PM
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Things change...
They seem to be... but out of desperation, the "others" like to use it against the desperate.
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Post #379,272
8/14/13 12:53:47 PM
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Ding ding ding!
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Post #379,271
8/14/13 12:53:21 PM
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Thanks for clarification.
I appreciate it!
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Post #379,290
8/14/13 5:42:26 PM
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cherokee country school district isn't a 1%
although Rick Steiner may be if he saved some money from rasslin
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Post #379,291
8/14/13 5:47:33 PM
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Schools are being strangled by various factors.
The implosion of the housing market; lack of revenue from the Feds; state and local governments that have to run a balanced budget no matter how bad the economy is; "reform" mania that is designed to transfer the public schools to private companies; etc. are all strangling the public schools. Politicians are using those factors as excuses to cut all sorts of expenses, including health insurance benefits.
It doesn't mean that Obamacare is the reason for the cuts.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,292
8/14/13 5:57:20 PM
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excuses? not hardly bolded portion mine
http://woodstock.pat...vatize-custodians
The district made the change to adjust to the state eliminating funding towards its non-certified employees participating in the State Health Benefit Plan, recurring, increasing costs in employer and employee costs towards the plan and complying with the federal Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
The superintendent said the state had allocated $400 million towards the State Health Benefit Plan, but that money has been "withdrawn," forcing local school districts to make up for the shortfall as well as continue to keep pace with premiums that have "skyrocketed."
"We just simply canÂt afford to pay that kind of money for participation in state health benefit plan for all our non-certified employees," he added, noting the same people will be cleaning the district's schools, but won't be on the district's payroll.
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Post #379,296
8/14/13 7:36:08 PM
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More...
http://www.cherokee....ncial%20Facts.pdf (6 page .pdf):
For the next (2013-14) school year, CCSD expects to be approximately $60 Million short of the funding needed to completely restore current budget cuts (e.g., furlough days, increased class size and fewer instructional days) . . . resulting primarily from continued State Âausterity reductions ($24.8 Million) and years of significant decreases in the local Property Tax Digest revenue ($9 Million this year and $30 Million cumulative for 2009-2012).
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,302
8/14/13 8:38:46 PM
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from the same document, bold is mine
CCSD insurance costs for non-certified employees (e.g., grounds crews, custodians, bus drivers, etc.) are expected to more than double, from
$4.9 Million in 2011-12 to $12.7 Million in 2014-
15, according to officials in the StateÂs Department
of Community Health, which is now responsible for
the State Health Benefit Plan (SHBP) covering more
than 650,000 State employees. The increased cost
in this regard for 2013-14 is $2.6 Million. Additionally, school districts across the State will have to
cover benefit costs for all full-time employees . . . as
required by the new federal health insurance law
sure its gonna save a lot of money, sure it is
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Post #379,303
8/14/13 9:14:40 PM
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Keep ignoring everything else...
http://portal.cherok.../OGP/default.aspx
Executive Summary - Tentative Budget 2009-10
The proposed Tentative Budget, which does not include a property tax/millage rate increase, addresses the major challenges facing the School District resulting from: significant declines in State and Local revenue; continued State Âausterity budget reductionsÂ; a legislatively-required Local Property Tax valuation freeze; a continued increase in student population growth; capital outlay costs for construction of schools and support facilities, land purchases for future school sites, as well as technology replacements and enhancements; opening of the new Mill Creek Middle school; escalating energy and health care costs; and the extraordinary impact of a continuing pattern of State unfunded and underfunded mandates (e.g., transportation, special education, textbooks, etc.)Â
requiring the utilization of additional local resources to meet critical needs.
Executive Summary - Tentative Budget 2010-11
The proposed 2010-11 Tentative Budget reflects one of the most financially challenging budget years that the School District has ever had to cope with . . . in preparing a balanced budget for consideration by the Board of Education. It addresses: continued/increasing State educational funding reductions of $25 Million in fiscal year 2010-11, which temporarily are bolstered by Federal Stimulus Funds of $3.2 Million  and which will be totally depleted in 2011-12; a significant decline of $12.8 Million in local property tax funding due to residential foreclosures, property value devaluation and a legislatively-required local property tax valuation cap/freeze; a continued increase in student population growth - projected at 653 students; capital outlay costs for construction of schools and support facilities, land purchases for future school sites, as well as technology replacements and enhancements; opening of the R.M. Moore classroom addition and the addition of 10th grade at the new River Ridge High School; escalating energy and health care costs; and the extraordinary impact of a continuing pattern of State unfunded and underfunded mandates (e.g., transportation, special education, textbooks, etc.) . . . requiring the utilization of additional local resources to meet critical needs. In addition to making over $28 Million in General Fund/Operating Budget cuts necessary as a result of these extraordinary shortfalls in State and Local revenue, and to maintain a quality educational program for our students, I am recommending a one mill property tax/millage rate increase to balance the 2010-11 Budget. All other options would cause irreparable damage to the educational services and programs offered by CCSD to its students in 2010-11 and thereafter.
Executive Summary - Tentative Budget 2012-13
The proposed 2012-13 Tentative Budget reflects another year of the most financial challenges with which the School District has ever had to cope in preparing an annual balanced budget for consideration by the Board of Education. Over the last eleven years, CCSD has witnessed over $147.6 Million of accumulative State Education Funding earnings being withheld from the School District by the StateÂ
theoretically to help balance the StateÂs Budget during a time period of unprecedented economic downturn and has also faced an additional $30.4 Million reduction (24.3% decline in property values) in collection of local property taxes over the last four years.
Accordingly, the 2012-13 Tentative Budget addresses: continued State Education Funding reductions (so-called Âausterity cutsÂ) of $26.5 Million; another significant decline of $9.3 Million in local property tax funding due to residential foreclosures and property assessment devaluation; a continued increase in student population growth - projected at 292 students; capital outlay costs for construction of schools, technology replacements and enhancements; opening of the new Clark Creek Elementary School, the replacement Ball Ground Elementary School and the addition of 12th grade at the new River Ridge High School; escalating State cost shifts to local school districts in health care and teacher retirement benefits; and the extraordinary impact of a continuing pattern of State unfunded and underfunded mandates (e.g., transportation, special education, textbooks, etc.) Â
requiring the necessary utilization of additional budget cuts/reductions to meet critical operational needs. As a result of these continued shortfalls in State and Local revenue, and to maintain a quality educational program for our students, over $22.8 Million is required in additional operating budget cuts for 2012-13Â
beyond the $37.5 Million of the current yearÂs budget reductions/cost containment, which includes the addition of four furlough days to the already existing four days (for a total of eight furlough days) for full-time employees.
Yup. It's all Obamacare's fault. Just like you said. Yup.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,325
8/15/13 9:41:53 AM
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not ignoring anything
you stated that 1% are being petty about cutting employees and hours. You have also parroted about the savings of obama cares.
I reply that our school district had to outsource custodial work because obamacare was going to DOUBLE the premiums for ALL school distric employees but the district is only required to privide that level of care for employees. They can't outsource teachers.
All of your harumphing, hand waving and misdirection about lack of funding for schools doesn't make the fact that obamacare costs are going to double here and that fact caused people to lose benefits and get outsourced. That is the ONLY reason they were outsourced.
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Post #379,326
8/15/13 9:44:37 AM
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We disagree.
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Post #379,327
8/15/13 9:46:20 AM
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that obamacare costs are going to double here? :-)
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Post #379,328
8/15/13 9:52:36 AM
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The only reason...
they are going to double... is that your state is fighting it.
Seems that states that embrace it are seeing HUGE reductions in premiums.
Funny that happens huh? I can't imagine why putting huge road blocks in the way and forcing a WHOLE OTHER system to be setup, is making the costs higher. Color me boxley.
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Post #379,331
8/15/13 10:22:40 AM
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how easily they forget
the deals made by states for votes 4.3 billion in the case of louisiana
http://www.forbes.co...uisiana-purchase/
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Post #379,330
8/15/13 9:58:16 AM
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Yup. That's not "Obamacare" costing more, but stupidity.
Aided and abetted -- and in effect, therefore, partly provided -- by you and ornery cunts like you.
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Post #379,333
8/15/13 10:41:59 AM
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Money is fungible. You know this.
http://gbpi.org/loca...re-the-new-normal
ÂThis status quo that weÂre having now with shorter school days, higher classes, furlough days, shorter school years, all the ways the local districts are managing their budget shortfalls, all of that will continue, Essig added.
How did Georgia get to this point?
First, nearly a decade state cuts to education. Ten years ago the state contributed 60 percent of school district funds.
ÂRight now, itÂs 50-50, Essig said.
On top of that, systems must cope with a significant drop in local funding.
ÂAs a result of the great recession and the housing crisis weÂre facing, a huge drop in property taxes across the state, Essig said.
Third, and new this year: the state is no longer paying health insurance for non-certified employees such as bus drivers, custodians, and cafeteria workers.
ÂAll of those things combined are causing significant budget deficits in schools across the state, Essig said.
Emphasis added.
Obummer didn't make Georgia cut their insurance payments to school employees. Your Republican elected representatives did that.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,338
8/15/13 11:25:29 AM
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still trying to deny that the cost will double
which is why cherokee county had to outsource. Without the doubling due to obamacare we could have come up with the cash. That question was asked and answered in the meeting.
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Post #379,341
8/15/13 11:44:02 AM
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<sigh>
I'm only willing to butt heads with that brick wall head of yours so many times... :-)
http://dch.georgia.g...Budgets_May_9.pdf (26 page .PDF):
See pages 22-23.
FY13
Increase employee premiums 2% ($6,881,250) due to increased costs as a result of the requirements of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
FY14
Increase employee premiums 2% ($11,966,438) due to increased costs as a result of the requirements of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
All of the other revenue increases for the Georgia Department of Community Heath (which runs the schools' health insurance program) is a result of choices by your elected officials. Not Obamacare.
I think I'm done with this topic.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,342
8/15/13 12:03:01 PM
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okay, catch you in the next thread
not sure why you were listing employee increases instead of school board increases but oh well
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Post #379,359
8/15/13 7:56:37 PM
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Holy fuck, are you really that stupid?
Here I thought it was you being weirdly Yanker-than-the-Yanks for some idiosyncratic gotta-fit-in reason related to you being a first-gen immigrant, but it's beginning to seem that perhaps you are actually really that duped by the Repo rhetoric. Newsflash, BOxy-boy: Just because they *say* it's a "doubling due to obamacare" doesn't mean that's actually what it is.
Or, what, is "obamacare" only going into effect in Georgia, and not in places like New York state? I was labouring under the impression that it was national, federal! How fucking wilfully blind are you being, not to be able to see that this is probably a doubling due to *Republican Georgia politicians trying to sabotage* "obamacare" that you're talking about?
It's one of the oldest tricks in the book: "Let's ratchet up the cost, and claim it's Obummer's fault!" And you're falling for that... Shee-it, man, and here I thought you were smarter than the average garden slug.
Please try to be.
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Post #379,372
8/15/13 9:54:28 PM
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explainin to the ignorant furriner read th comment this time
health care needs to be paid
there is this thing called money that has to come from somewhere to pay the healthcare
if you are a county school district government worker, your employer paid health care portion is paid by money usually collected from the realestate tax, income tax and sales taxes.
Income and most sales taxes are collected by the state
realestate and a small portion of the the sales tax is collected by the county.
School boards are local residents of the county, elected, only one teabagger out of seven and she is gonna get recalled if not convicted for filing a false police report.
The state has decided that they were no longer kicking in the portion of the employer paid part of non certified employees (non teachers)Republica assholes as Scott has referred to them
The county school boad decided ouch but we would find the money.
IMPORTANT PART
The state health care system is self funded. We do not pay insurance companies to do the health care. It is negotiated with the providers to get a cheap price and it is self funded.
That organization stated that the amount of money needed to cover obamacare changes would approximately double in 2014.
So funding cut FIRST then being told that not only funding cuts for non certified but payments needed to double because of obamacare requirements in 2014
The schoolboard then set out a proposal and accepted the deal fro Aramark.
Now you can join nother on the handwaving team or gather with greg on the drooling into their depends team if you wish. Costs will be going up dramatically because of obamacare provisions. Even some democrats in washington are recognising that.
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Post #379,381
8/16/13 9:14:42 AM
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Yep.
This bill was never about anything other than generating more revenue for private health insurance companies. That was the singular goal and no consideration was ever given to the impact on anything else. The attitude was and as long as Wall Street owns that Yankee government will always be: "Screw the people, Wall Street needs more of their money!" Nobody running a self-funded plan is making any money from premiums. So self-funders were never considered in the drafting of the legislation. The fact that a self-funded plan can even be contemplated by mid-size employers should be enough evidence that there is far too much profit being taken by people who contribute nothing to the delivery of healthcare in this country. But those very people - the privateers - are the only people the Yankee government cares about and works for (aside: arguably, s/works for/is owned by). The additional expenses of the ACA that defenders love to talk about were the crumbs that were fed to useful idiots (think most Democrats) as evidence that their representatives cared about them. But the cost for those "good parts of the Bill" that were designed to be born by private insurers were going to be offset in a HUGE way by the windfall that would be enjoyed by the private insurers.
Nobody but Big Pharma and Big Private Health Insurers were ever even considered in the drafting of the turd that is the ACA.
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Post #379,385
8/16/13 10:24:42 AM
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That's why the Republicans have voted to repeal it, amirite?
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Post #379,399
8/16/13 1:17:07 PM
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You expect *ME* to explain Republican thought processes?
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Post #379,257
8/14/13 10:34:31 AM
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Now, I'm a supporter...
But this is happening.
My son works at Kroger, the nation's largest retailer, and they were just informed that part time workers would all be capped at 28 hours a week due to the health care law.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #379,264
8/14/13 10:43:11 AM
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Understood.
The US economy is big. The PPACA is multi-faceted. It's not perfect, but it's a vast improvement over what we had before. There will be some losers - and with luck those things can be fixed when the House returns to sanity...
Kroger is a big business and is unionized. Perhaps their statements have to do with putting pressure on the union - http://www.wcpo.com/...s-come-into-focus
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #379,268
8/14/13 10:51:09 AM
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It's "the bill you like least".
See link downstream for Obama's quote from a DNC fundraiser.
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Post #379,270
8/14/13 10:52:06 AM
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See my reply below.
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Post #379,276
8/14/13 1:39:44 PM
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Here's the full quote.
From http://web.archive.o...allroom-10/20/09/
A speech to a DNC fundraiser on 10/20/2009:
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, well, the banks, they don't want financial regulation; I guess it's just too hard. You know, that poster was nice during the campaign; we had some fun, but oh, well. (Laughter.) We didnÂt work so hard to leave our problems to the next generation, the next administration. We came to solve these problems -- right here, right now. (Applause.)
Now is the time to build a clean energy economy that can put people back to work. (Applause.) Now is the time to educate every American child so they can compete in a global economy. (Applause.) Now is the time to make sure that every American has affordable health care. That's what we're fighting for! Not later, but now! (Applause.)
You fired up?
AUDIENCE: Yes!
THE PRESIDENT: I want to recognize the people in this room and the folks watching online who are helping us do exactly that. I want to thank all the Organizing for America volunteers for making calls, knocking on doors, keeping up the fight. (Applause.) You know why this is so important. You know premiums have doubled over the past decade. Some of you have seen it -- your employer said, I'm sorry, I don't want to do it to you, but I'm doubling your premiums. In some cases, what they're paying, your employers are paying is going up even faster than what you're paying. It's unsustainable. It could double again in the next decade. You know that millions of people in this country have been discriminated because they don't -- of a preexisting condition. You know that more companies are dropping coverage. You know that more and more families are struggling to pay for health care even if they have insurance, out-of-pocket costs going up faster and faster.
And you know what Tim Kaine understood and underscored -- we are closer than we've ever been. This has been a battle that has lasted since Teddy Roosevelt -- the basic principle that part of our social contract is you don't go bankrupt if you get sick; that families shouldnÂt have to worry if their children need help -- (applause) -- that we are looking after each other enough to make sure that everybody has health care in this country. (Applause.)
We're closer than we've ever been. Five committees of Congress all voted out legislation. As Tim said, the differences are starting to narrow and we're going to, pretty soon, be hitting the floor of the House and the Senate with bills; then we're going to reconcile them. And then we're going to have to vote on them again. And then I'm going to sign it. (Applause.)
Now, there are still some details and some disagreements that have to be worked out.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Single payer!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Public option!
THE PRESIDENT: Let me say this, because somebody just brought up something. (Laughter.) Among Democrats and progressives there are a whole set of views about how we should do health care. But understand that the bill you least like in Congress right now, the one you least like of the five that are out there would provide 29 million Americans health care -- 29 million Americans who don't have it right now would get it. The bill you least like would prevent insurance companies from barring you from getting health insurance because of preexisting conditions. (Applause.) Whatever the bill you least like would set up an exchange so that people right now who are having to try to bargain for health insurance on their own are suddenly part of a pool of millions that forces insurance companies to compete for their business and give them better deals and lower rates. (Applause.)
So there are going to be some disagreements and details to work out. But to the Democrats, I want to say to you, Democrats, let's make sure that we keep our eye on the prize. (Applause.) And that is, all those millions of Americans who don't have health insurance and all those who do have health insurance that are seeing their costs go up, if we get a bill -- when we get a bill that delivers on those issues --
AUDIENCE MEMBER: When?
THE PRESIDENT: When. That's what I said. (Applause.) Then we have to do everything we can to support it. You know, sometimes Democrats can be their own worst enemies. (Applause.) Democrats are an opinionated bunch. (Applause.) You know, the other side, they just kind of -- sometimes -- do what they're told. (Laughter.) Democrats, you all are thinking for yourselves. (Applause.) I like that in you. But it's time for us to make sure that we finish the job here. We are this close. And we've got to be unified. (Applause.)
And to all those non-Democrats who may be in the audience -- (laughter) -- or who are watching our webcast, or who will hear about this on cable -- (laughter) -- I want you to know I believe in a strong and loyal opposition. I believe in a two-party system where ideas are tested and assumptions are challenged. That's made this legislation that we're working on better and more durable. That's how our democracy works. That's a good thing.
Context matters.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
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