More lies from you?

Post #37,591 by Brandioch 5/5/02 8:10:13 PM Reply	More lies from you? David Finkelhor, University of New Hampshire Hmmm, you know, I just can't seem to find a quote from him saying that. Not that this proves that he didn't say that. Just that there's no evidence that he said that. Floyd M. Martinson, Professor of Sociology Gustavus Adolphus College in Minnesota Again, the statements you seem to believe he said just don't seem to be available anywhere. Again, this is not prooof that he didn't say those things. Just that they cannot be found anywhere. >>And I explained why what happens in other countries is not relevant. How can it not be relevant if that's where my encounter as a 15 year old would have occurred? Are you REALLY that STUPID? Or is this some idiotic ploy on your part to waste my time? Okay, let me put it to you in VERY SIMPLE TERMS. At one time, slavery was LEGAL in the US. Did that make it "okay"? You see, "legal" != "okay" in all circumstances. You may remember that I have REPEATEDLY pointed out to you that I'm NOT asking if it is "legal". But that is where you KEEP RUNNING BACK TO. So, until you can demonstrate that you understand the difference between "okay" and "legal", this conversation is at an end. And is should be VERY easy as I have just given you the CLASSIC example of "legal" != "okay".
Post #37,662 by Mike 5/6/02 4:29:37 PM Reply	Re: More lies from you? >>Hmmm, you know, I just can't seem to find a quote from him saying that. >>Not that this proves that he didn't say that. Your ignorance about him (and possibly how to use a search engine) is your failing not mine. You should fight your ignorance. Go to Amazon.com and buy their books or go to the library and borrow them. >>Again, this is not prooof that he didn't say those things. Just that they >>cannot be found anywhere. Though it IS good evidence that you don't wish to look very hard. Didn't I already tell you that it aint all on the web? >>Are you REALLY that STUPID? Or is this some idiotic ploy on your part to >>waste my time? Okay, let me put it to you in VERY SIMPLE TERMS. >>At one time, slavery was LEGAL in the US. >>Did that make it "okay"? >>You see, "legal" != "okay" in all circumstances. Why do you keep bringing up legal? I think if we want to talk about hypothetical events we should be clear about the contexts in which those events would have occurred. Of the context, the legal aspect is just a part. This much you have said yourself. If you don't understand this....I will be happy to provide some references ....... but first I want you to dare me to. -- William Shatner's Trousers --
Post #37,666 by CRConrad 5/6/02 4:51:20 PM Reply	Well, THAT is a lie if ever I saw one. Mike: Why do you keep bringing up legal? He doesn't; it's YOU who've introduced that time after time when he asked you if it was "Okay". And since David Finkelhor obviously didn't say, in the piece you cited -- and that's what counts here, not what you claim "is available" in some library or somewhere -- what you apparently thought (judging from the fact that at first you claimed that was where he said it) he said, mr Reading Comprehension, I wouldn't try to paint Brandioch with the "ignorance" brush if I were you. So, Lying: Yes, Brandi is right, Mike did/does lie; Ignorance: No, Mike is wrong, it isn't Brandioch who's ignorant here. Bravo, Mikey, you're two for two! Wanna try for three out of three? Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #37,680 by Brandioch 5/6/02 5:46:40 PM Reply	Christian, let's table this for now. #1. It has been established that Mike does NOT provide support for his "facts". #2. I am not going to waste my time digging through EVERYTHING ever written or said by Finkelhor to prove that he DID NOT say what Mike claims he said (without providing references). I'm sure everyone else here understands the futility of attempting to prove a negative. #3. I'm not even going to discuss/debate with someone who hasn't advanced to the point of being able to tell "okay" from "legal". #4. Not to mention the futility of discussion/debate with someone who doesn't understand the difference between "fact" and "opinion". #5. Yes, I do believe that Mike lies. Why discuss/debate with someone who lies? Like I said before, I'm out of this until he can prove to me that he's advanced enough to tell "okay" from "legal". I've provided him with the classic text-book example of slavery. There's really nothing more that can be done at this point.
Post #37,694 by Mike 5/6/02 9:23:57 PM Reply	You both should fucking ashamed of yourselves Intelligent debate indeed. Mr and Mrs "We couldn't find much under yahoo so it's not relevant and we're going to call you liar liar pants on fire". I don't know how you can look yourself in the mirror. This isn't debate its fucking nonsense. 1) Give someone an ultimatum that they can't name ONE name. 2) Get supplied with two. 3) Challenge the legitimacy of the name based on the fact that you didn't find anything. Avoid soliciting more information on the names from the supplier. Quickly move to a summary position. This isn't debate its a fucking clown show. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=37690\| Response] -- William Shatner's Trousers --

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