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Post #37,466 by CRConrad 5/4/02 7:05:59 AM Reply	I'll assume you're using me as a rhetorical punch-bag... ...just like I did you, in [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=37318\|my post:] No, of course that's not what you're saying -- you know* that the one doesn't have to equate to the other.* -- or did you really miss that bit? Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #37,477 by Brandioch 5/4/02 9:07:42 AM Reply	That be the case. Just making SURE that EVERYONE understands that when I'm asking under what circumstances such things are "okay", it is NOT the same as supporting it. I want CRITERIA so we can move from the SPECIFIC case to GENERAL RULES.
Post #37,491 by ben_tilly 5/4/02 12:18:58 PM Reply	I remember BC law being surprisingly reasonable Growing up I was curious about what statutory rape meant in British Columbia (where I lived) so I tracked down the law. As best as I can remember, it gave a graded set of rules about what was and was not legal. Basically any adult with a kid below 14 was illegal. (Kids with kids was allowed.) From 14-18 there was a gradation of what was and was not allowed. As I recall from 16-18 there was only a problem if the adult was an authority figure. From 14-16 it depended on how old the adult was, and how much of an authority figure. (A teenager working at summer camp had more restrictions than a teenager in the same school.) I remember liking the key principle that for questions of mutual consent the relative power between the people makes a difference. I would remember in more detail, but I stopped being so curious when I figured out that 19 and 16 wasn't a problem... Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman

Has the world gone crazy? - (Mike) - (115) - May 2, 2002, 11:07:21 PM EDT

Lollita? - (Brandioch) - (85) - May 2, 2002, 11:28:42 PM EDT

But "having a crush" != "having sex". - (CRConrad) - (70) - May 3, 2002, 08:01:26 AM EDT

So... - (imric) - (65) - May 3, 2002, 08:15:28 AM EDT

Yeah, but what's the age of *informed* "consent"...? - (CRConrad) - (64) - May 3, 2002, 08:28:51 AM EDT

I do claim so. - (imric) - (63) - May 3, 2002, 09:11:27 AM EDT

I *can't fucking BELIEVE* you really mean that! - (CRConrad) - (6) - May 3, 2002, 11:57:13 AM EDT

~(bad=traumatic) - (imric) - (5) - May 3, 2002, 12:49:26 PM EDT

Drop the other side of the implication - (ben_tilly) - (2) - May 3, 2002, 07:28:47 PM EDT

*chuckle* True.. -NT - (imric) - May 3, 2002, 07:42:58 PM EDT

Excellent -NT - (Mike) - May 4, 2002, 02:29:20 AM EDT

My bad - used sloppy modern , "traumatic = bad", definition. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 07:02:44 AM EDT

Heh - s'alright - certainly understandable. -NT - (imric) - May 4, 2002, 10:02:17 AM EDT

I'd have to push "society" or "culture" at that point. - (Brandioch) - (46) - May 3, 2002, 12:01:02 PM EDT

Good point .....a reply and some thoughts - (Mike) - (45) - May 3, 2002, 01:11:03 PM EDT

A simple solution. - (Brandioch) - (42) - May 3, 2002, 01:27:45 PM EDT

Just say no - yeah right! - (Mike) - (41) - May 3, 2002, 05:35:30 PM EDT

Maybe we are agreeing that, the 'problem' is as much - (Ashton) - (4) - May 3, 2002, 05:51:38 PM EDT

Good thoughts - (Mike) - (3) - May 4, 2002, 02:18:21 AM EDT

Will choose aquatic ceremony over - purchased legislators. -NT - (Ashton) - May 4, 2002, 03:02:36 AM EDT

OK, I'll take your bait - clarify, please. - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 07:04:03 AM EDT

Re: OK, I'll take your bait - clarify, please. - (Mike) - May 4, 2002, 12:05:37 PM EDT

Just say "prosecute". - (Brandioch) - (32) - May 3, 2002, 07:11:04 PM EDT

Please start your own thread using words fuck and children - (Mike) - (31) - May 3, 2002, 07:55:24 PM EDT

What the fuck? - (Brandioch) - (29) - May 3, 2002, 08:06:55 PM EDT

As always ..... - (Mike) - (28) - May 4, 2002, 01:51:09 AM EDT

As always, people think *their* experience = How it IS. - (CRConrad) - (27) - May 4, 2002, 07:07:20 AM EDT

Huzzzaaaa! Huzzzaaa! Huzzzaaa! - (Brandioch) - May 4, 2002, 08:50:21 AM EDT

From my first post. - (Mike) - (25) - May 4, 2002, 09:40:48 AM EDT

Link. - (Another Scott) - (24) - May 4, 2002, 09:58:56 AM EDT

Thanks - (Mike) - (22) - May 4, 2002, 11:51:52 AM EDT

I think I see a thread there. - (Brandioch) - (21) - May 4, 2002, 02:01:15 PM EDT

Your inability to understand and comprehend ........ - (Mike) - (20) - May 4, 2002, 02:52:51 PM EDT

Just establishing your position. - (Brandioch) - (19) - May 4, 2002, 04:06:01 PM EDT

I see - (Mike) - (18) - May 4, 2002, 04:37:41 PM EDT

I quoted you quoting something that "Another Scott" quoted. - (Brandioch) - (17) - May 4, 2002, 05:34:16 PM EDT

And a quote is errrm....leading..to errrm....yeah.... - (Mike) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 06:45:38 PM EDT

It's called "reading with comprehension". - (Brandioch) - May 4, 2002, 06:55:58 PM EDT

Look.... - (Mike) - (14) - May 4, 2002, 06:42:23 PM EDT

I see a bunny! - (Brandioch) - (10) - May 4, 2002, 07:15:12 PM EDT

Love you xoxo - (Mike) - (9) - May 4, 2002, 09:54:48 PM EDT

I know you do. - (Brandioch) - (8) - May 5, 2002, 01:47:48 AM EDT

Re: I know you do. - (Mike) - (7) - May 5, 2002, 09:24:34 AM EDT

Bzzzztttt! Thanks for playing. - (Brandioch) - (6) - May 5, 2002, 11:55:50 AM EDT

No problem dude :-) - (Mike) - (5) - May 5, 2002, 05:05:57 PM EDT

More lies from you? - (Brandioch) - (4) - May 5, 2002, 08:10:13 PM EDT

Re: More lies from you? - (Mike) - (3) - May 6, 2002, 04:29:37 PM EDT

Well, THAT is a lie if ever I saw one. - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 6, 2002, 04:51:20 PM EDT

Christian, let's table this for now. - (Brandioch) - (1) - May 6, 2002, 05:46:40 PM EDT

You both should fucking ashamed of yourselves - (Mike) - May 6, 2002, 09:23:57 PM EDT

Maybe the question is not resolvable - (Ashton) - (2) - May 4, 2002, 08:11:28 PM EDT

Until there is a verifiable maturity test. - (Brandioch) - May 4, 2002, 08:32:28 PM EDT

Liked the gist - (Mike) - May 4, 2002, 11:03:08 PM EDT

Lots of loaded didactic opinion in that.______ Don't buy it. - (Ashton) - May 4, 2002, 06:13:50 PM EDT

Who died and made YOU King of thread definitions, punk??? -NT - (CRConrad) - May 4, 2002, 07:04:51 AM EDT

Hmm -NT - (Mike) - May 3, 2002, 07:49:57 PM EDT

Sometimes, an "Alexander's Chop" is the *only* way. - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 07:03:16 AM EDT

Can it be any clearer? - (Brandioch) - May 4, 2002, 09:00:54 AM EDT

Good idea in many ways - the problem will be... - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 07:02:52 AM EDT

Hmmmm, there's a thought. - (Brandioch) - May 4, 2002, 09:03:22 AM EDT

There's a difference between physically / emotionally ready. - (Another Scott) - (8) - May 3, 2002, 12:37:43 PM EDT

*sigh* - (imric) - (7) - May 3, 2002, 12:53:48 PM EDT

But what does "consent" mean with a 12-14 yr old? -NT - (Another Scott) - (6) - May 3, 2002, 01:32:27 PM EDT

What does that have to do with trauma? - (imric) - (5) - May 3, 2002, 02:59:12 PM EDT

Actual source of 'trauma' IMhO: - (Ashton) - (1) - May 3, 2002, 04:53:53 PM EDT

30 yr old hymen intactum? Cant stand it gotta comment - (boxley) - May 4, 2002, 09:33:39 PM EDT

I was addressing a different issue. - (Another Scott) - (2) - May 3, 2002, 05:55:58 PM EDT

Hmm. - (imric) - (1) - May 3, 2002, 06:24:47 PM EDT

Yes - (Mike) - May 4, 2002, 01:57:08 AM EDT

Whoa there, cowboy! - (Brandioch) - (3) - May 3, 2002, 11:52:55 AM EDT

I'll assume you're using me as a rhetorical punch-bag... - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 4, 2002, 07:05:59 AM EDT

That be the case. - (Brandioch) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 09:07:42 AM EDT

I remember BC law being surprisingly reasonable - (ben_tilly) - May 4, 2002, 12:18:58 PM EDT

Random example - (ben_tilly) - (13) - May 3, 2002, 07:33:41 PM EDT

Trouble-maker..___________________________:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - May 3, 2002, 09:52:18 PM EDT

Just found this... - (imric) - (6) - May 3, 2002, 10:19:29 PM EDT

Talk about yer 'adult reponse' - - (Ashton) - (5) - May 3, 2002, 11:31:41 PM EDT

Re: Talk about yer 'adult reponse' - - (inthane-chan) - May 6, 2002, 12:22:11 PM EDT

What we teach boys - (boxley) - (3) - May 6, 2002, 01:10:52 PM EDT

Perhaps the legal overreaction you cite - (Ashton) - (2) - May 7, 2002, 02:29:30 AM EDT

When one teaches, teach for effect - (boxley) - (1) - May 7, 2002, 12:38:23 PM EDT

Sounds like a winner to me. Lucky boys! -NT - (Ashton) - May 7, 2002, 04:36:57 PM EDT

Capitlism at its finest. - (Silverlock) - (4) - May 4, 2002, 12:09:43 AM EDT

Re: Capitlism at its finest. - (Mike) - (2) - May 4, 2002, 01:52:33 AM EDT

Re: Capitlism at its finest. - (Mike) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 01:53:46 AM EDT

Then I have done my job well. - (Silverlock) - May 4, 2002, 02:01:39 AM EDT

But will she be a harsh mistress___this time too? -NT - (Ashton) - May 4, 2002, 03:08:01 AM EDT

Read this - (Mike) - (21) - May 4, 2002, 11:59:29 AM EDT

So a 16 year old boy and 30 year old guy is "okay"? - (Brandioch) - (20) - May 4, 2002, 02:09:15 PM EDT

Wrong again - but I still love you - (Mike) - (19) - May 4, 2002, 03:09:34 PM EDT

Very interesting. - (Brandioch) - (18) - May 4, 2002, 04:22:29 PM EDT

Define "okay" - (Mike) - (17) - May 4, 2002, 06:03:04 PM EDT

"okay" == "do you see any problems with it". - (Brandioch) - (16) - May 4, 2002, 06:37:48 PM EDT

Yes I see problems with it. See earlier posts. -NT - (Mike) - (15) - May 4, 2002, 08:06:47 PM EDT

Allow me to quote you. - (Brandioch) - (14) - May 4, 2002, 08:44:07 PM EDT

Are they gonna get harder? - (Mike) - (10) - May 4, 2002, 10:14:02 PM EDT

How much EASIER can it be? - (Brandioch) - (9) - May 5, 2002, 01:49:14 AM EDT

Here's the curious thing...... - (Mike) - (8) - May 5, 2002, 10:01:37 AM EDT

Well, it's time to wrap this up. - (Brandioch) - (7) - May 5, 2002, 12:18:49 PM EDT

You are too precious - (Mike) - (6) - May 5, 2002, 04:38:14 PM EDT

The state of education today...... - (Brandioch) - (5) - May 5, 2002, 08:05:49 PM EDT

Jane you ignorant slut - (Mike) - (4) - May 6, 2002, 04:44:31 PM EDT

You, OTOH, are not an "ignorant slut"... - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 6, 2002, 05:04:06 PM EDT

He aint doc - (boxley) - May 6, 2002, 05:46:54 PM EDT

LOL.....hey snot brain..... - (Mike) - May 6, 2002, 11:19:46 PM EDT

That, sir, is inexcusable - (Silverlock) - May 6, 2002, 11:33:42 PM EDT

My turn to ask a question. - (Mike) - (2) - May 4, 2002, 11:07:09 PM EDT

That's simple. - (Brandioch) - (1) - May 5, 2002, 01:55:23 AM EDT

I think..... - (Mike) - May 5, 2002, 09:12:27 AM EDT

It is one of the major dissappointments of my life . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - May 4, 2002, 12:41:25 PM EDT

I got lucky - (boxley) - (3) - May 4, 2002, 09:39:43 PM EDT

I *HAVE* to ask - (Mike) - (2) - May 4, 2002, 10:21:53 PM EDT

Damn right I was traumatized!!!! - (boxley) - (1) - May 6, 2002, 11:36:17 AM EDT

LMAO -NT - (Mike) - May 6, 2002, 04:46:24 PM EDT

I would have rather that my brother hadn't... - (ben_tilly) - May 4, 2002, 10:34:15 PM EDT

Amen - (broomberg) - May 4, 2002, 11:32:26 PM EDT

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