It's the guy who killed bin Laden versus the human flapjack.

Post #349,622 by Another Scott 10/25/11 10:23:47 PM Reply	It's the guy who killed bin Laden versus the human flapjack. http://www.boomantri...1/10/25/211253/71 Excellent analysis by Booman. Let's hope the Democrats are motivated enough to vote.... Cheers, Scott.
Post #349,623 by mmoffitt 10/26/11 7:58:32 AM Reply	I almost never listen to Joe Scaraborough. But this morning I did. I found it ironic in the extreme that he, a Reagan Republican, actually lamented the fact that union membership has fallen to 7% in the private sector. Want to bring back the middle class? Get union membership in the private sector up to about 50% (or more) and watch the wealth shift back to the middle. Of course, you'd need strong federal legislation protecting union jobs and you'd need a Progressive in the White House using his bully pulpit for that, so I guess we're out of luck. ;0)
Post #349,626 by Another Scott 10/26/11 8:12:37 AM Reply	Get more Democrats in the House and Senate and you're there. Obama's not the hold-up. One needs the votes in the House and Senate and they aren't there now (and haven't been for about 40 years). If you want progressive policies (like I do), one needs more progressive people in the legislature. But I'm sure President Cain will be just as bad as Obama so it doesn't really matter. </snark> Cheers, Scott. (It's humpday! And maybe the world won't end today when the Euro continues its disintegration...)
Post #349,627 by boxley 10/26/11 8:42:25 AM Reply	Get more Democrats in the House and Senate and they will fuck you over as fast as tea partiers. Card check was a requirement of the prez 59 senators and a shitloaf of congressmen couldnt get it done. You like people who are progressive dont vote democrat Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,630 by Another Scott 10/26/11 9:12:33 AM Reply	59 < 60 Film at 11:00.
Post #349,648 by boxley 10/26/11 4:23:14 PM Reply	card check not good enuff for nuklear option? go dems go Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,655 by lincoln 10/26/11 5:23:30 PM Reply	Well, RepubliCANTS are "progressive" so who does that leave the voter with - Libertarians? The average Libertarian has a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected in this day and age. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #349,632 by hnick 10/26/11 9:57:20 AM Reply	Back to the lesser of two evils again... Basic assumptions: 1) Some of us want progressive policies. 2) The system in place is heavily rigged to support only two real choices. 3) One choice is horrible while the other choice is only terrible. 4) The system has been corrupted over the last decades to the point where the judicial system has been stacked in favor of big money, bribery has been institutionalized in the legislature under the rubric of lobbying and has been heavily invested on both sides by the same special interests, and the executive branch is a sock puppet for Wall Street (all potential players.) The process to change the system either has to go through the corrupted system or get very messy. Questions: 1) How does voting for LOTE Lesser Of Two Evils get ANY kind of positive control over the lesser evil? 2) Doesn't voting for LOTE indicate support for the lesser evil? Does that not make those who vote for a lesser evil complicit in the evil he generates? 3) If both sides are pushing our society towards feudalism, is not a vote for either side a vote for feudalism? 4) How does voting for one side over the other get us closer to those progressive policies? 5) Is it possible that letting the system crash, earlier rather than later, may be the quickest and most likely way to get any real type of reform? The lesser of two evils is evil. Is there any clean way out? I wish I could see one. Are there any real choices at all? Damnifiknow...
Post #349,633 by rcareaga 10/26/11 10:04:19 AM Reply	What John Cole said: This is one of the reasons I get so frustrated with the pissing and moaning and the ÂOh, Obama has let me downÂ bullshit from our progressive betters in the comments here and elsewhere. ItÂs like they just donÂt understand that we all agree the Democrats arenÂt perfect, that we realize the Democrats are pretty bad on a lot of issues, and we realize that in many cases they are just as beholden to corporate interests, and that we realize that Democrats do a lot of really stupid shit and are not serving their constituents well. We get all that. I understand that completely and agree with those sentiments. The fail is plainly visible. For every bright spot like Franken or Sanders or Sherrod Brown, there is a Nelson or Landrieu or McCaskill. But that doesnÂt change the fact that THE OTHER FUCKING PARTY IS CRAZY. And IÂm not saying that just to be hyperbolic. They are nucking futs. Lunatics. Insane. http://www.balloon-j...25/kthug-gets-it/ cordially,
Post #349,635 by hnick 10/26/11 11:02:48 AM Reply	Re: What John Cole said: Ah, so a molecular veneer of sanity makes it acceptable to overtly support someone who is antithetical to most of my major values. Makes for a fun campaign platform though: "Vote for me. I'm throughly rotten, but not foaming at the mouth yet. My opponent is NUTS!!" This line of argument seems as trivial and stupid as the B&B song and dance team's "Well, the other guy did it too" routine. It's probably just me, but "Well, occasionally he does something that isn't completely rotten" just doesn't seem to do it. I probably cut the civics class, those years ago, where they explained why this is just ducky. Never mind...
Post #349,637 by jake123 10/26/11 11:48:47 AM Reply	Good god I'm sorry, but when it comes to electoral politics, Americans need to grow up. Hold your nose and vote for the not insane candidate, and then as soon as the election is over invade the party so you can kick the bagmen out. "I voted, therefore it's democracy" is a bullshit sentiment. You've got to participate, and voting is not participation.
Post #349,645 by mmoffitt 10/26/11 3:47:00 PM Reply	(5) Yes. Seriously. The only thing worse than the Indiana State Board of Elections in Indianapolis telling me that they would not count my vote or any vote for write-in candidates in my county "because it would not change the outcome anyway" was the reaction of my fellow Nader supporters who told me, "That's too bad. Try again next time." Try what? I don't usually urinate by my pointing my dick north when the wind is blowing 70 knots at 360. It's got to completely fricking crash and burn. The Reagan Revolution is still with us. Jesus H. Fricking Christ, we've got a Black President actually citing Reagan. With a "Left" like that, the party's over. Fly the SOB into the ground. We'll build something with any parts that survive.
Post #349,674 by Another Scott 10/26/11 8:13:27 PM Reply	I'm not getting out of the boat, myself. :-/ http://www.imdb.com/.../tt0078788/quotes Cheers, Scott.
Post #349,701 by mmoffitt 10/27/11 8:07:13 AM Reply	Right page. Wrong quote. We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig... cow after cow... village after village... army after army... :0)
Post #349,636 by S1mon_Jester 10/26/11 11:45:46 AM Reply	There was a piece a while back that showed Cain's ties to the Koch Brothers. The guy is an empty suit, but Republicans are going to have to call him on it or he'll end up running against Obama (who will call him on it).
Post #349,649 by boxley 10/26/11 4:27:53 PM Reply	empty suit? definition please other than the fact that his conversational diction is maddeningly slow he is bright and understands business from a "having a real job" perspective. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,663 by S1mon_Jester 10/26/11 6:17:25 PM Reply	Amazing... Given that I agree he is bright. (He's got a BA in Math and a Master's in Comp Sci.) Yes, he had a real job running Pizza shops. (And that ended when again? 1996, right?) But he's an empty suit (imo) because I suspect he's espousing positions and values he doesn't understand or necessarily agree with. (ie: I think the moat, electric fence and pro-life issues are only the tip of the iceberg....things will get worse)
Post #349,669 by boxley 10/26/11 7:22:08 PM Reply	Dont forget chairman of a regional fed Dunno about the positions, he has a long public record of his positions http://www.wsbradio.com/s/cain/ some show archives at the bottom Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,676 by Another Scott 10/26/11 8:51:36 PM Reply	Horse's mouth, and some on his Godfather's history. And 8 honorary PhDs! http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc104.htm From March 17, 2008: Maybe I was a vice president of a Fortune 500 company, the president of a 700-unit pizza restaurant chain, the president of a major national business association, the recipient of eight honorary doctorate degrees, and now a prime-time radio talk show host on a major radio station in one of the biggest markets in the country, all because a black manÂs time had come. http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc109.htm From April 21, 2008: Of course you can find some reports that downplay the economic expansion of the last six years, but they have to dig really deep to construct some irrelevant factual basis for their view. As usual, the New York Times provided that conspicuously negative and irrelevant view in David LeonhardtÂs April 9 piece titled ÂFor Many, a Boom That WasnÂt.Â Leonhardt had to compare the median family income in 2000 of $61,000 to the median family income in 2007 of $60,500 to try to support his point. What he did not tell the readers was that most of the families at the median income in 2000 had moved up to a higher level of income by the time 2007 rolled around. The most egregious part of this consistent Democratic deception is that they never offer a better idea or plan. They just want to raise taxes and get elected by their Kool-Aid drinkers and anyone gullible enough to swallow their persistent lies about the economy. So $60,500 is really more than $61,000. See? Don't let the actual definition of median confuse you. http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc102.htm From March 3, 2008: The mediaÂs factually unsubstantiated claims of an impending recession have been going on for over a year. Now, some of the Âmedia elitesÂ have gone one step further and made comparisons of current economic conditions to the Great Depression (Nathan Burchfiel, Business and Media Institute, 2-27-08). A typical example is Charles Gibson of ABCÂs World News Tonight when he reported on January 24, 2008 that the median price of a home in 2007 dropped 2 percent. His editorial comment was that ÂItÂs the first time prices have gone down over a whole year since the Great Depression.Â The Great Depression was the time period from 1929 to 1940. So it was 68 years ago that the median price of a home decreased year over year. During those 68 years, we have been in a World War and several other wars, and we are in a war against Islamic fascism today. We had a real recession in the 1970s and a short one to start the 21st Century. That single data point of 2 percent for 2007 compared with 2006 should have us shaking in our economic boots. Paul and Pamela Pitiful need to start stocking up on canned goods, putting some cash money under their mattress in small bills and quietly liquidating their stock market holdings, because food shortages, massive unemployment, bank failures and a stock market crash are just around the corner in the news mediaÂs lens. Don't let the fact that things are already so bad that housing prices declined for a year for the first time since the Great Depression, the numbers don't matter. What matters is not being a whiner and not let anything get in the way of Republican dogma. Ya hear? And so forth. I can't read his mind. I don't know how smart he is. I only can read what he writes and hear what he says. He writes and says idiotic things. He doesn't have universal praise for his time at Godfather's either - http://jayraskin.wor...rs-pizzas-part-2/ Note CainÂs goal to increase sales by 10% over the next three years and make a profit in 1987. Sales fell over the nest three years from $275 million in 1986 to $260 million in 1987 to 242.5 million in 1988. We may presume that the company was not profitable in 1987 and that is the main reason Pillsbury put the company up for sale in 1988. They had given Cain his shot and he had failed to turn the company around or to bring about the profits they had expected. They obviously did not think that Cain was going to turn the company around anytime in the near future. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #349,683 by boxley 10/26/11 9:56:53 PM Reply	very good, take the time to learn then condemn So when do we get obama's uni records? :-) Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,684 by Another Scott 10/26/11 9:57:32 PM Reply	Eh?
Post #349,698 by crazy 10/27/11 5:49:00 AM Reply	I worked with a guy years ago No matter what the conversation, he had a distraction to confuse you, would ramble about it, and when you were appropriately confused he'd hit you with a line of quick bullshit that you weren't prepared to answer. He'd end the conversation and move on to the next subject, assuming agreement. We called it "See the pretty bird". Hold you hand out far away from your body. Look at it. Say: "See the pretty bird" a few times. As the person starts to look at you extended hand, smack him across the back of the head with the stick that you have in your other hand. Box, you got a pretty bird but no stick.
Post #349,711 by boxley 10/27/11 9:27:30 AM Reply	record, as in on the cain has one that goers back years and is very public what little obama has is guarded like the last virgin in cherry hill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,714 by Another Scott 10/27/11 10:13:42 AM Reply	Spouting pablum in a column isn't a "record". Or at least not much of one. Obama has a voting record in the IL Senate and US Senate. He's written 2 books on his life and been subject of several others. There have been major stories about his life, votes, and policies in major newspapers and magazines. He's given long interviews. He's got extensive Wikipedia pages, too. He's been quite open. How are his college grades relevant to anything? Cheers, Scott.
Post #349,720 by beepster 10/27/11 11:16:27 AM Reply	Apparently college grades are important as much was made about Bush and Perry's grades...among others. I guess it just doesn't count when your chosen. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #349,721 by Another Scott 10/27/11 11:29:23 AM Reply	In what way, Charlie? Don't confuse the number of times a talking point is repeated with actual importance. Bush's grades were part of a piece of the way he talked and the way he attacked the job of president, e.g., http://www.slate.com...d_man.single.html Did his grades tell us anything different about the way he did his job? Obama's college grades would tell us what, exactly, about him or the way he does his job? Cheers, Scott.
Post #349,723 by beepster 10/27/11 11:35:20 AM Reply	Considering the current reports that he has closed himself off...I'd say right now they would be particularly relevant and important. And I really don't expect anything from you except that you will jump to his defense. Regardless of what has been done to others in equal or near position. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #349,725 by Another Scott 10/27/11 11:47:55 AM Reply	<sigh> In what way, Charlie? I'd say right now they would be particularly relevant and important. I ask again - How? Cheers, Scott.
Post #349,727 by crazy 10/27/11 11:55:54 AM Reply	I'll tell you why people care one way or the other Bush II seemed both STUPID and LAZY. And people really wanted to know how the hell he got though his college years. People look at Obama, his history, his books, his accomplishments (that were not driven by a rich connected daddy) and easily see the intelligence. So those for him know it doesn't matter, and those against him are scared, so they'll try to pick apart anything they can. Sorry. Non issue unless you are looking for some type of smoking gun. If I was him I'd limit it too. Why give the wacko something to pick apart while you were in college? He's already done the job, judge him on that.
Post #349,730 by lincoln 10/27/11 12:10:59 PM Reply	You mean like how his long form birth certificate was relevant? Hawaii released the short form, legally good enough to get a US passport. Unacceptable to the Tea Party and wingnut RepubliCANTs. Then Obama releases the long form birth certificate - and it's *STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH*. Hell, just this week Gov. Goodhair was talking to The Donald and then was quoted in an interview that he's still not certain that Obama is really a US citizen. In other words, he's continuing to pander to the stupid people who support the RepubliCANT Party and will do anything to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #349,752 by boxley 10/27/11 8:48:14 PM Reply	obama never released the long form they were very careful that the form(which has been analyzed as photoshopped) never came from him Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,755 by Another Scott 10/27/11 9:01:09 PM Reply	<shuuush!> Don't let the secret out!
Post #349,804 by lincoln 10/28/11 1:44:08 PM Reply	If obama never released the long form would the RepubliCANTS and Teabaggers ever have stopped their incessant whining about demanding proof that he was born in the USA? Not a fucking chance! "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #349,843 by boxley 10/29/11 12:27:53 PM Reply	huh? try to keep up will you http://www.wnd.com/i...iew&pageId=346201 who you gonna believe sherrif joe or some kenyan muslim? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,852 by lincoln 10/29/11 3:28:14 PM Reply	I go with the "Kenyan Muslim" instead of following a blatantly racist, publicity-seeking douchebag any day of the week. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #349,863 by crazy 10/29/11 7:58:34 PM Reply	Sheriff Joe? WTF? C'mon box, no matter what, I'd hang that scumbag from a lamp post and give the Kenyan Muslim a whip to work him over.
Post #349,753 by boxley 10/27/11 8:49:12 PM Reply	not his grades, his financial aid info :-) Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,757 by Another Scott 10/27/11 9:02:31 PM Reply	I didn't get the TPS report memo. Sorry.
Post #349,759 by boxley 10/27/11 9:55:13 PM Reply	TPS? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #349,762 by Another Scott 10/27/11 10:07:22 PM Reply	You must have gotten the memo. http://www.imdb.com/.../tt0151804/quotes ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #349,722 by crazy 10/27/11 11:33:05 AM Reply	I had this discussion last night concerning college grades. Study for a 95 or coast for an 82. The general consensus is that it is very rare for any employer to care what your grades were. Did you get the degree or not? Coast is the preferred method, and anything past that should be reserved for your core courses.
Post #349,724 by beepster 10/27/11 11:38:11 AM 10/27/11 11:38:38 AM Reply	Re: I had this discussion last night concerning college grad I've worked for several employers where GPA was a factor in calculating your opening salary. Guys with 3.5 make more than guys with 3.0. Its an indicator of work ethic. So I must work for rare companies. However, I think you underestimate what employers think of grades. In later career, I agree, it is less important. Initial employment, its all they've got. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are. Edited by beepster Oct. 27, 2011, 11:38:38 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #349,726 by crazy 10/27/11 11:50:50 AM Reply	Yes and no I agree it could be an indicator of work ethic. But it could also be an indicator of time optimization. As far as job capabilities, depends if core courses or not. As far as using it for offering salary, hey, corporate culture does a lot of stupid things. It stand in for someone actually doing a detail interview and judging the value of the individual. It lets HR apply a formula. So if you want to play the game, and you find yourself applying to these types of companies, then deal with it. But I've never worked for a company that did this, and I've been part of the hiring process for about 25 years in 7 companies, not little ones usually. I've easily interviewed hundreds and offered about 30 positions, or approved for another department to hire them. Not once did we care about GPA.
Post #349,733 by mmoffitt 10/27/11 12:53:57 PM Reply	Concur. Until 5 years experience in the field.

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