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New I disagree
What's next on the list for reasons not to treat? Alcohol consumption? Driving too fast?

Don't forget, this person is being treated under a public health system, a sort of system which most people on this board have little to no experience in. While private systems control costs by raising prices so as to drive part of the market out, public systems do it by rationing. It's ok to ration; that's not the point. The point is the rationale under which rationing occurs; in Canada, it's done with lists on a first-come first-served basis. However, past behaviour is not used to change places on the list. It's a bad idea (esp. under sole-payer and/or public health systems) to do it based on other criteria, as it creates very real potential for abuse based on value judgements by people working within the system: Your parents are born-again nutjobs? No abortion for you! Under a public system, this is an extremely undesirable outcome.

This is not the same in a many-payer private system; either the guy can afford a doctor who will do it anyway, or he's screwed anyway so it doesn't matter.

Instead, they should add a clause to his permission to treatment form absolving the doctors and institutions involved of any liability should his treatment end in the outcome feared by his doctors, and then do it anyway.
New you are not allowed to be sensible, its SMOKING CIGGARETTES!
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New Stopping smoking is basically part of the pre-op
If you go in for an operation, you'll be nil-by-mouth for a period of time beforehand. If you then eat a bacon buttie in that time, the surgeon won't operate.

If you're an alcoholic, you won't be operated on whilst pissed.

This is exactly the same.

(BTW, Jack: in the UK for compos mentis adults, there is no form to complete. For now.)


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     UK health care wont treat broken ankle - (boxley) - (37)
         That's just good clinical sense - (pwhysall) - (3)
             so give him a bed, chain him to it for 48hrs and fix his leg -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 Or alternatively, he could just /stop smoking/ - (pwhysall)
             Possibly not even that nannyish... - (hnick)
         Seems reasonable to me - (Lily) - (30)
             Completely disagree - (bepatient) - (29)
                 Now you're being disagreeable. - (Lily) - (28)
                     I disagree - (jake123) - (2)
                         you are not allowed to be sensible, its SMOKING CIGGARETTES! -NT - (boxley)
                         Stopping smoking is basically part of the pre-op - (pwhysall)
                     Re: Now you're being disagreeable. - (bepatient) - (24)
                         Incorrect. - (pwhysall) - (17)
                             I see. - (bepatient) - (16)
                                 Inpatient nicotine detox? - (Lily) - (14)
                                     Why not - (bepatient) - (13)
                                         It's elective surgery. - (Another Scott) - (11)
                                             Oh bullsh*t - (crazy) - (10)
                                                 Disagree. - (Another Scott) - (9)
                                                     And WHO classified it as elective? - (crazy) - (8)
                                                         Come on now. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                                             If you had enough pain - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                 If I needed morphine every day... - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                     "alleviate severe pain." - (crazy) - (3)
                                                                         "Life sucks, then you die". :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                             Good Saying - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                                                                 It's from The Fools. - (Another Scott)
                                                                 If I had that much pain... - (pwhysall)
                                         Because - (Lily)
                                 Nonsense. - (pwhysall)
                         Nuh-uh - (Lily) - (5)
                             Acquaintance of mine - (jbrabeck)
                             Nuh-uh back - (crazy) - (2)
                                 Dont you start - (Lily) - (1)
                                     you mean it would be faster to identify what didnt kill im? -NT - (boxley)
                             Asprin is dropped - (Simon_Jester)
         Irony? Or maybe not... - (Another Scott) - (1)
             People also get addicted to it everyday, also. -NT - (folkert)

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