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New The FAA is a wholly owned subsidiary of the airlines.
Listen to approach/departure at any Class B airport from 6am to 9:30. Then listen (to largely nothing) from 9:30am until 4pm. Then it picks up again. Wanna know why? Because the airline industry is *de-regulated*. It's been up to the airlines since 1978 to set their flight schedules. And since everyone wants to leave in the morning and return in the evening, the nation's airspace is *packed* during those hours and underutilized during off-hours. The BL is that people have a perceived need to travel by air and they want to do it for free. Then the airlines want the taxpayers to subsidize their losses. Hell, there's an airline in Fort Wayne, IN that offers a $39.00 seat to Orlando, FL. Even filling every seat in every airplane, that company can't break even (let alone profit) from such fares. So, why do they do it? Because they know the Fed will bail them out.

In 1957, a ticket from New York to Los Angeles aboard a DC-3 cost the equivalent of $1,000 and flight time was 8-10 hours with a couple of stops for fuel along the way. It wasn't until jets became the standard for the commercial carriers that the common man could afford to fly. The Fed controlled flight schedules and the fares. The Fed made sure small market airfields had business. The Fed made sure the system load was even. We had competition based upon service, not price, which made flying fun (not to mention safer). Now, good ol' Murican bidness is in charge and the entire industry is in the sewer.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New There is an obvious solution to that problem.
It's been up to the airlines since 1978 to set their flight schedules. And since everyone wants to leave in the morning and return in the evening, the nation's airspace is *packed* during those hours and underutilized during off-hours.


There's a solution to that problem that would help just about everyone.

There should be an auction of takeoff and landing slots, run by the FAA or some other national authority, with a reasonable fraction reserved for smaller carriers, GA, etc.

If business travelers want to leave at 7:30 and come back at 5:30, then companies should be willing to pay extra for those time slots. If nobody wants to fly at noon, make it cheaper so that people will.

As long as its done in a way that is fair (e.g. don't let MegaGlobal Airlines buy up all the prime slots and sit on them, don't let the majors collude to keep out low priced carriers, etc.), then just about everyone benefits. People who need to be there, pay more. People who are flexible, pay less. The system doesn't have to be designed to handle tremendous loads for 10% of the day. Airlines get more use out of their hardware. Delays should go down, and more people would be willing to fly.

I'm sure Adam Smith and Alfred Kahn would approve.

What's the downside?

Cheers,
Scott.
New That is just a form of regulation.
And regulation is a bad thing, remember?
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Freedom of the Skies (new thread)
Created as new thread #287346 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=287346|Freedom of the Skies]
Seamus
     Don't visit via NY Airports if at all possible. - (Another Scott) - (41)
         Lovely. - (static) - (40)
             I wouldn't worry. - (bepatient) - (39)
                 has more to do with cascading thundershowers in the - (boxley) - (1)
                     There wasn't a cloud in the sky yesterday... - (Another Scott)
                 I hope nobody is too surprised? - (CRConrad) - (36)
                     Learn something before you shoot off your mouth - (bepatient) - (35)
                         Before everyone gets off on the wrong foot... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             They don't think... - (bepatient)
                         It's not "understanding" reality that is the problem,Candide - (CRConrad) - (32)
                             considering most american airlines are in bankrupcy - (boxley) - (1)
                                 IIRC, most airlines don't own their planes. - (Another Scott)
                             Do you want to fly? - (bepatient) - (29)
                                 At least two obvious errors - (CRConrad) - (28)
                                     Ok Mr Euro - (bepatient) - (22)
                                         There are ways around these problems. - (Another Scott) - (11)
                                             Re: There are ways around these problems. - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                 On the last one... - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                                     in agreement sort of - (boxley) - (1)
                                                         Well said. - (Another Scott)
                                                     Unfortunately - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                         Re: roughly the same as pre-9/11. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                             True enough - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                 I think that varies with location. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     or ATL, the other day the had the queue going outside the - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         I got out pretty quick last time - (bepatient)
                                                 Re: There are ways around these problems. - (pwhysall)
                                         What,you got "3000+" airports? "Big" ones? No? QED: Strawman - (CRConrad) - (9)
                                             You were the one saying they should have spares - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                 Next fix... - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                                     But.. but... - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                         dont forget shareholders who would squat sqare bricks -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                             Ignore them, they're just filthy capitalists - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                 if it takes longer than the next quarter forget it -NT - (boxley)
                                                     It must be simple - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                         he's a conslutant of course he doesnt need to understand the - (boxley) - (1)
                                                             Not that kind of conslutant-I'm a code slave w/ weird title. -NT - (CRConrad)
                                     :-) on #2. Or maybe :-(... -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     The FAA is a wholly owned subsidiary of the airlines. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                         There is an obvious solution to that problem. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                             That is just a form of regulation. - (mmoffitt)
                                             Freedom of the Skies (new thread) - (Seamus)

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