Uhhh, BeeP? Those vinyl disks were 12" in diameter...

And 'semi' - if that's where the trumpet virtuoso Rafael Mendez would be categorized (for most of his original compositions.) Still have a couple of his 10" and some 45s -- all since reissued on CD. Also Stan Kenton 'Innovations in Modern Music' Tour - with Maynard Ferguson, Shelley Manne, June Christy et al - may have had a 10" entry. Certainly not All was classical.

A lot happened along the way from shellac 78s!

And.. changers could sense dia, even down to 7" 45s - with that extra sensor that looked like a small tone-arm. This was so, in early '50s re 10"/12". When 45s came out, the changer mfgs. adapted too - as one would expect. There was even a 16 rpm setting on some devices -- allegedly for certain radio transcription discs, usually played on a manual TT at a radio station. I never saw one of those.

Yes - people had to actually rise from the couch to do these things - but then, they were healthier and could still use their legs.

If you put the 12" on bottom of a stack, then 10" (and 7") - all operation was auto.
IIRC there were even a few which sensed at platter level; you could then intermix (but you'd have to switch speed to 45, if those were included in mix.)

Possibly a few 7" LPs were made, likely to exploit the high-end quality of 33.3 manual players (superior TT quality and also expensive pickup/stylus) for demos. I don't recall ever seeing one of these; certainly 7" 33.3 was never mass market.

And yes - some 78 rpm 'microgrooves' were made on vinyl - for all obv physics of higher freq. response, better S/N - for the golden ears. Early preamps contained up to a dozen phono equalization curves, several ideas for sound compensation at low levels (Bauxendall / 'loudness' curves.) Need yan - for the 78s. But then, (some) people did that too - to achieve better fidelity.

In brief, always there was lots more to the best audio reproduction than - 'bass/treble' (even with variable turnover points for those, too.) And all that processing began in the vacuum tube era. (Many of the high-end examples command monstrous prices today.) Just check in at eBay for 'Marantz' and certain 'Mc Intosh' models == the very reason the 'Macintosh' Bowdlerization was required of Steve-baby: \ufffd

Le plus sa change..

Post #284,677 by jb4 5/14/07 10:35:04 PM Reply	Uhhh, BeeP? Those vinyl disks were 12" in diameter... How quickly one forgets... jb4 "It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment." — George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
Post #284,681 by bepatient 5/14/07 11:40:57 PM Reply	Oh really? only [link\|http://musicinterfaces.com/2007/01/08/vinyl-singles-making-a-comeback-in-britain/\|12 inch? Wonder what this thing is.] You bought albums when you saved. You bought singles with bottle return money. :-) Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #284,741 by jb4 5/15/07 10:13:30 PM Reply	EPs don't count. The "industry's" first attempt at ripping us off! To the dustbin of history with it, and the horse it rode in on! jb4 "It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment." — George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
Post #284,747 by bepatient 5/15/07 11:48:56 PM Reply	Its called a "single". They made juke boxes to play them. Shaggy had a radio show for years...counting them down. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #285,403 by jb4 5/25/07 11:19:57 PM Reply	OK, so I'm eyeball-measurement-challenged I alwasy thought those things were ...how shall I say it...smaller. But size doesn't matter, right?!? jb4 "It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment." — George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
Post #285,404 by jb4 5/25/07 11:20:26 PM Reply	Besides, all mine had bigger holes! jb4 "It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment." — George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
Post #284,748 by bepatient 5/15/07 11:49:01 PM 5/15/07 11:50:18 PM Reply	dupe Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew} Edited by bepatient May 15, 2007, 11:50:18 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #284,742 by Ashton 5/15/07 10:50:04 PM Reply	cough I have several 10" LPs from 'the day'.
Post #285,405 by jb4 5/25/07 11:21:23 PM Reply	And what day was that? I didn't know that a 78 was considered an LP. YMMV, of course; you're the only one here that's older that me... jb4 "It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment." — George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
Post #285,409 by Andrew Grygus 5/26/07 12:06:18 AM Reply	Nope, I once had a couple 10" LPs. There weren't a lot made because you couldn't play them on changers, but for a little while there were some, 1960 thru 1965 probably. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #285,435 by jb4 5/26/07 2:25:09 PM Reply	Whose? (i.e. which artists?) Enquiring minds want to know... jb4 "It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment." — George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
Post #285,438 by Andrew Grygus 5/26/07 4:42:24 PM Reply	They were classical. I think that's what most of the 10 inchers were used for. One was Ravel I believe, but I don't remember for sure. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #285,443 by Ashton 5/26/07 9:30:18 PM Reply	Right - 10" mostly classical And 'semi' - if that's where the trumpet virtuoso Rafael Mendez would be categorized (for most of his original compositions.) Still have a couple of his 10" and some 45s -- all since reissued on CD. Also Stan Kenton 'Innovations in Modern Music' Tour - with Maynard Ferguson, Shelley Manne, June Christy et al - may have had a 10" entry. Certainly not All was classical. A lot happened along the way from shellac 78s! And.. changers could sense dia, even down to 7" 45s - with that extra sensor that looked like a small tone-arm. This was so, in early '50s re 10"/12". When 45s came out, the changer mfgs. adapted too - as one would expect. There was even a 16 rpm setting on some devices -- allegedly for certain radio transcription discs, usually played on a manual TT at a radio station. I never saw one of those. Yes - people had to actually rise from the couch to do these things - but then, they were healthier and could still use their legs. If you put the 12" on bottom of a stack, then 10" (and 7") - all operation was auto. IIRC there were even a few which sensed at platter level; you could then intermix (but you'd have to switch speed to 45, if those were included in mix.) Possibly a few 7" LPs were made, likely to exploit the high-end quality of 33.3 manual players (superior TT quality and also expensive pickup/stylus) for demos. I don't recall ever seeing one of these; certainly 7" 33.3 was never mass market. And yes - some 78 rpm 'microgrooves' were made on vinyl - for all obv physics of higher freq. response, better S/N - for the golden ears. Early preamps contained up to a dozen phono equalization curves, several ideas for sound compensation at low levels (Bauxendall / 'loudness' curves.) Need yan - for the 78s. But then, (some) people did that too - to achieve better fidelity. In brief, always there was lots more to the best audio reproduction than - 'bass/treble' (even with variable turnover points for those, too.) And all that processing began in the vacuum tube era. (Many of the high-end examples command monstrous prices today.) Just check in at eBay for 'Marantz' and certain 'Mc Intosh' models == the very reason the 'Macintosh' Bowdlerization was required of Steve-baby: \ufffd Le plus sa change..
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