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New I am one of those soured customers
Tower was my Mecca. Still, I can spend hours going through the cutout bins at places like Sam Goody. There's a second hand store around the corner that I go to often...just to hang and talk tunes with the kids that run it.

But I refuse to buy from major retailers now. Its somewhat religious with me. I paid, and paid, and paid for many years...amassing over a thousand vinyl titles and nearly a thousand cds before I simply stopped. I refuse. I use the net now.

I lay blame squarely on the RIAA and the labels for not embracing the new medium, and making it as difficult as possible for me to enjoy >my< music on >my choice< of devices.

I predicted easily the success of iTunes. I have a problem with them though and refuse any more purchases until they release DRM free music that allows me to transfer it to any device I choose as many times as I choose to do so. I would gladly pay, but only if I get the same flexibility as I had when it was a 7'' vinyl disk. I want to take it to my friends house, pop it on and play it there. Back then, my friend could pop it on and tape in on cassette and that was called fair use. Now that makes me a pirate.

I'd like a digital replacement for Dark Side of the Moon. I ripped it from my Gold CD...but I also had previously paid for 3 vinyl versions. Offer me the possibility of a discounted mp3 replacement download and I might just drop a couple grand replacing alot of music I've already paid for...but no...alas...fear keeps many classic recordings away from digital...cause here there be PIRATES.

I really am sorry to many artists that I would love to support. And when I go to live shows I do buy the disks. Those shows are generally now indie artists who are getting the money directly.

Last show, Adrian Belew...bought a couple from his wife in the back of the venue. His label. His work. He deserved it. I paid. Gladly.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New OT what did you think of the subject of my emails
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New cda files didn't come
don't worry though...I'll find a way.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Re: I am one of those soured customers
"Last show, Adrian Belew...bought a couple from his wife in the back of the venue. His label. His work. He deserved it. I paid. Gladly."

It's the new model. Record your stuff yourself, put it on the net and put your contact info on it (For Bookings call...).

Nowadays it's not about the sales or even the downloads, though some money can come from that... nope, it's all about putting Butts In Seats, and screw the middleman.
New I disagree
People still buy. Lots of people. Enough to make the labels very rich. IF they would do it in a way that the customer wants.

CD singles, priced in the 2-3 dollar range would sell huge. CDs would sell huge if priced more in line with the 10-12 max range available at iTunes.

The labels have priced themselves out of the market..and then cried poverty when the consumer turned to the net...where the labels forced them to go.

Music sharing is nothing new. I'd bet its not even any more prevalent now that it was pre-cd technology when we were out making cassettes from the albums our friends bought.

The problem now is 1) new music offered by the labels, in general, just plain sucks 2)they offer it at $18-20 for a full disk worth of garbage to get the one or 2 tracks you want and 3)they've introduced the uncertainty now, with Sony's venture into DRM, that you might not be able to play your music once you pay for the disk.

Add to the above the dearth of real radio to be used as advertisement for the crap they're trying to sell...and you've got an industry in crisis. A crisis they brought upon themselves and seem compelled to not fix.

Introduce Garage Band to the mix...and the fact that now, for the cost of 1 hour of real studio time I can now build a digital recording setup that will rival anything they can offer (aside from a good producer)...and you have the big entertainment groups looking at real trouble in a few years.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New The thing is
why would a musician want to make a label rich when he/she/they can now easily grasp all the tools for themselves and keep all that loot in-house instead of having to deal with arrogant AR guys who try to screw you out of about 9/10ths of the money while they tell you what to do on the record?

I think Loreena McKennit is an excellent model of what can be done very very easily now with the incredibly cheap tools that are available to anyone with a couple of hundred bucks plus the ability to market oneself globally for a pittance.

In case I wasn't clear, the middle man who is to be screwed is the record company. They could have been in on the bonanza, but that would have required them to give up their illusions of control and relevance, and there are few illusions that are dearer to people in power than those ones.
New And good riddance to bad rubbish!
jb4
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New Re: I am one of those soured customers
I'm confused

How could a dl be better than a rip from a gold CD?

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New Convienience, I'll bet.
New ????
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New It takes time to burn one's own MP3s.
New Yes and No
For a Pink Floyd album
open ripper
put in CD
let CDDB fill in the info
start

don't have to sit and watch or anything

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New He's got 2000 albums...
New Vinyl is a PITA to rip
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New true
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New Amen!
However, once you tweak the snot out of a beat-to-sshit not-for-sale radio-station-version 45 to get it to sound more than half decent (and it's the only copy of the original version of "I Believe In Father Christmas" out there), it's actually worth it.
jb4
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New There are some new "really good" USB Turntables being
released into the the public's hands.

Word is that some are durable for scratchin' and others are designed for a REALLY good reproduction of the record.

I'd like to see a couple, first hand.
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New My sister has an ION
comes with Audigy. Its pretty nice.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Uhhh, BeeP? Those vinyl disks were 12" in diameter...
How quickly one forgets...
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
New Oh really?
only [link|http://musicinterfaces.com/2007/01/08/vinyl-singles-making-a-comeback-in-britain/|12 inch? Wonder what this thing is.]

You bought albums when you saved. You bought singles with bottle return money. :-)
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New EPs don't count.
The "industry's" first attempt at ripping us off! To the dustbin of history with it, and the horse it rode in on!
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
New Its called a "single".
They made juke boxes to play them.

Shaggy had a radio show for years...counting them down.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New OK, so I'm eyeball-measurement-challenged
I alwasy thought those things were ...how shall I say it...smaller. But size doesn't matter, right?!?
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
New Besides, all mine had bigger holes!
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
New dupe
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
Expand Edited by bepatient May 15, 2007, 11:50:18 PM EDT
New *cough* I have several 10" LPs from 'the day'.

New And what day was that?
I didn't know that a 78 was considered an LP. YMMV, of course; you're the only one here that's older that me...
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
New Nope, I once had a couple 10" LPs.
There weren't a lot made because you couldn't play them on changers, but for a little while there were some, 1960 thru 1965 probably.
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New Whose?
(i.e. which artists?)

Enquiring minds want to know...
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
New They were classical.
I think that's what most of the 10 inchers were used for. One was Ravel I believe, but I don't remember for sure.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Right - 10" mostly classical
And 'semi' - if that's where the trumpet virtuoso Rafael Mendez would be categorized (for most of his original compositions.) Still have a couple of his 10" and some 45s -- all since reissued on CD. Also Stan Kenton 'Innovations in Modern Music' Tour - with Maynard Ferguson, Shelley Manne, June Christy et al - may have had a 10" entry. Certainly not All was classical.

A lot happened along the way from shellac 78s!

And.. changers could sense dia, even down to 7" 45s - with that extra sensor that looked like a small tone-arm. This was so, in early '50s re 10"/12". When 45s came out, the changer mfgs. adapted too - as one would expect. There was even a 16 rpm setting on some devices -- allegedly for certain radio transcription discs, usually played on a manual TT at a radio station. I never saw one of those.

Yes - people had to actually rise from the couch to do these things - but then, they were healthier and could still use their legs.

If you put the 12" on bottom of a stack, then 10" (and 7") - all operation was auto.
IIRC there were even a few which sensed at platter level; you could then intermix (but you'd have to switch speed to 45, if those were included in mix.)

Possibly a few 7" LPs were made, likely to exploit the high-end quality of 33.3 manual players (superior TT quality and also expensive pickup/stylus) for demos. I don't recall ever seeing one of these; certainly 7" 33.3 was never mass market.

And yes - some 78 rpm 'microgrooves' were made on vinyl - for all obv physics of higher freq. response, better S/N - for the golden ears. Early preamps contained up to a dozen phono equalization curves, several ideas for sound compensation at low levels (Bauxendall / 'loudness' curves.) Need yan - for the 78s. But then, (some) people did that too - to achieve better fidelity.

In brief, always there was lots more to the best audio reproduction than - 'bass/treble' (even with variable turnover points for those, too.) And all that processing began in the vacuum tube era. (Many of the high-end examples command monstrous prices today.) Just check in at eBay for 'Marantz' and certain 'Mc Intosh' models == the very reason the 'Macintosh' Bowdlerization was required of Steve-baby: \ufffd

Le plus sa change..




New UK Indie scene used to put out 10 inchers, too
Popular for EPs.


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     Digital Wrongs. - (folkert) - (33)
         funny I have spent more money on music in - (boxley) - (32)
             I am one of those soured customers - (bepatient) - (31)
                 OT what did you think of the subject of my emails - (boxley) - (1)
                     cda files didn't come - (bepatient)
                 Re: I am one of those soured customers - (jake123) - (3)
                     I disagree - (bepatient) - (2)
                         The thing is - (jake123)
                         And good riddance to bad rubbish! -NT - (jb4)
                 Re: I am one of those soured customers - (andread) - (10)
                     Convienience, I'll bet. -NT - (Another Scott) - (9)
                         ???? -NT - (andread) - (8)
                             It takes time to burn one's own MP3s. -NT - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                 Yes and No - (andread) - (6)
                                     He's got 2000 albums... -NT - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                         Vinyl is a PITA to rip -NT - (bepatient) - (4)
                                             true -NT - (andread)
                                             Amen! - (jb4)
                                             There are some new "really good" USB Turntables being - (folkert) - (1)
                                                 My sister has an ION - (bepatient)
                 Uhhh, BeeP? Those vinyl disks were 12" in diameter... - (jb4) - (13)
                     Oh really? - (bepatient) - (5)
                         EPs don't count. - (jb4) - (4)
                             Its called a "single". - (bepatient) - (2)
                                 OK, so I'm eyeball-measurement-challenged - (jb4) - (1)
                                     Besides, all mine had bigger holes! -NT - (jb4)
                             dupe -NT - (bepatient)
                     *cough* I have several 10" LPs from 'the day'. -NT - (Ashton) - (6)
                         And what day was that? - (jb4) - (5)
                             Nope, I once had a couple 10" LPs. - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                                 Whose? - (jb4) - (1)
                                     They were classical. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 Right - 10" mostly classical - (Ashton)
                                 UK Indie scene used to put out 10 inchers, too - (pwhysall)

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