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Post #284,656
by altmann
5/14/07 7:21:33 PM
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New Re: links
I see phrases like "copy of the concepts developed in Mach kernel", and "influenced by the Mach microkernel" which, while they would certainly be pertinent to the current discussion if the patents in question cover those concepts and techniques, does not equate to NT "sitting on top of Mach".

Mac OS X. Now there's something that "sits on top of Mach".

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Post #284,662
by boxley
5/14/07 7:56:44 PM
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New mac osx of course sits on top of mach
and they admit it :-)
You are right, until there is a lawsuit and the $MS source code would need to be brought in as evidence would we know for sure that NT uses a hybrid micro kernel, sitting on top of Mach :-)
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Post #284,684
by pwhysall
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5/15/07 1:18:27 AM
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New WhatEVar.
It's been common knowledge for, oh, about twelve or thirteen years now, that NT's kernel (and hence W2K/XP/Vista's) is more like VMS than it is like anything UNIX-ish[0]. You even cited the fact that the VMS architect, Dave Cutler, had a lot to do with it.
[0]That's not to say, of course, that any of the VMS goodness has made it into Windows The Product, just that there are shades of VMS The Kernel in Windows The Kernel.

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     Well, now we know. It *is* going to use patent... - (folkert) - (30) - May 14, 2007, 12:34:47 PM EDT
         Wow...kernel violates 42 different patents - (bepatient) - (10) - May 14, 2007, 12:47:05 PM EDT
             pretty funny as well as the NT Kernel - (boxley) - (9) - May 14, 2007, 12:55:49 PM EDT
                 Huh? [Insert perplexed dog picture here] -NT - (altmann) - (8) - May 14, 2007, 04:45:23 PM EDT
                     here - (boxley) - (7) - May 14, 2007, 05:05:30 PM EDT
                         Umm - (altmann) - (6) - May 14, 2007, 06:06:10 PM EDT
                             it does, maybe I need a better source -NT - (boxley) - (5) - May 14, 2007, 06:15:58 PM EDT
                                 links - (boxley) - May 14, 2007, 06:53:36 PM EDT
                                 links - (boxley) - (3) - May 14, 2007, 06:54:36 PM EDT
                                     Re: links - (altmann) - (2) - May 14, 2007, 07:21:33 PM EDT
                                         mac osx of course sits on top of mach - (boxley) - (1) - May 14, 2007, 07:56:44 PM EDT
                                             WhatEVar. - (pwhysall) - May 15, 2007, 01:18:27 AM EDT
         How do you spell "irrelevant"? - (mmoffitt) - May 14, 2007, 01:49:56 PM EDT
         Looks like a repeat of SCOSource - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - May 14, 2007, 02:37:07 PM EDT
             This is a clear civil RICO case -NT - (boxley) - May 14, 2007, 02:40:11 PM EDT
             Its a very dangerous game - (bepatient) - May 14, 2007, 04:38:42 PM EDT
         To quote an idiot, "Bring it on!" - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - May 14, 2007, 05:00:29 PM EDT
             xenix had a lot of good innovation -NT - (boxley) - (1) - May 14, 2007, 05:06:14 PM EDT
                 Yes, but what did they do with it? -NT - (folkert) - May 15, 2007, 02:36:32 AM EDT
             Don't forget Bob -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1) - May 16, 2007, 06:36:37 PM EDT
                 Fortunately, I was never exposed to it. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - May 17, 2007, 12:46:17 PM EDT
         No they're not. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - May 15, 2007, 03:38:37 AM EDT
             Yes. Except... - (folkert) - (3) - May 15, 2007, 07:36:52 AM EDT
                 There's only so deep they can go . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - May 15, 2007, 11:02:37 AM EDT
                     That would be the OTHER Big Giant Corp not being MS... - (folkert) - May 15, 2007, 03:34:09 PM EDT
                     "logic roots in weaving loom" gets 500k hits - (Ashton) - May 15, 2007, 10:09:31 PM EDT
             Remember that anti-trust trumps patent - (tonytib) - (1) - May 15, 2007, 07:42:32 PM EDT
                 Hasn't stopped Microsoft from Biatchin' about Samba. -NT - (folkert) - May 15, 2007, 09:48:46 PM EDT
         Tim Bray (Sun employee... err yeah), in his Blog. - (folkert) - (2) - May 15, 2007, 10:54:30 PM EDT
             Linus agrees - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - May 16, 2007, 12:11:17 AM EDT
                 Microsoft blinked. - (folkert) - May 16, 2007, 01:54:27 AM EDT

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