Post #281,661
4/13/07 2:46:45 AM
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Re: You lost me.
Box has some areas where he thinks the gov can be effective. Me on the other hand...
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Post #281,674
4/13/07 6:08:25 AM
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Please never take a gov job then.
We don't need another person in public service who doesn't believe in public service.
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Post #281,677
4/13/07 6:58:27 AM
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But...
When I worked for the State,I found that many people in public service don't believe in public service...
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #281,678
4/13/07 7:07:37 AM
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Cheeze Louise. That was my damned point.
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Post #281,709
4/13/07 12:12:51 PM
4/13/07 12:13:05 PM
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Ya mean I GOTTA be adversarial? ROFL!
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
April 13, 2007, 12:13:05 PM EDT
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Post #281,679
4/13/07 7:37:17 AM
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Thats how I plan to retire
Get a fed job. No work, consistent paycheck. Great benefits.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,810
4/14/07 3:26:13 PM
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beep's facile take on the feds
Get a fed job. No work, consistent paycheck. Great benefits.
Back in the day I worked closely with a number of folks in the late U.S. Customs Service (1789-2003: then a subordinate agency of the Treasury Department; today a re-animated corpse staggering zombie-fashion beneath the benign oversight of the Department of Homeland Security), and was impressed—and surprised, because I had also bought into that notion (in fairness I was in my twenties)—by the professionalism of the (non-uniformed) arm I dealt with. These were people who not infrequently worked uncompensated weekends to keep up with their workloads, and whose conscientious attention to their duties was not merely unrewarded back in the early Reagan administration, but in some cases actually punished. They worked damned hard and did indeed receive both consistent (scarcely lavish) pay and great benefits (four weeks vacation PA after 3 years; five after 15 years), particularly by modern standards. And yes, there was the occasional deadwood, some clowns who would have been fired under a completely rational system. Since the system wasn't completely rational (firing deadwood involved, I gather, a lot of paperwork), Customs management took the easier course of routing the work around them. Those of us who dealt with the agency knew who to avoid.
But hey, beep, if that's your retirement plan, go crazy. For all I know, unqualified and no-work is the rule and not the exception elsewhere among the feds. But if you want to be certain, why not apply for a job at the White House right now?
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #281,811
4/14/07 3:34:57 PM
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ya gotta remember he lives in Joisey across from philly
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Post #281,812
4/14/07 4:25:11 PM
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Washington ain't "the place to be"
and I'm sure there are diligent, hard workers on the Fed payroll just as much as I'm certain there are others that are less diligent. As to which group is the higher number...I believe my opinion is "duly noted".
Those in my family that are earning fed paychecks do actually work. Get alot more holidays than I do, though.
But as box so eloquently pointed out...I live in joisey...where it seems the only qualification necessary to earn close to 200k/yr is to be the gay lover of the governor. Being the brother of the mayor gets you no-bid 5million contracts. There are quite a few on the payroll 2 and 3 times, more dozens of no show employees.
My dream job.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,919
4/15/07 7:39:06 PM
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joisy jobs
"state " does not equal "federal." Your conflation of the two does not astonish me, however.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #281,925
4/15/07 8:39:57 PM
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Its very much the same thing
I know many many many fed employees. As I said in my post. Some of them actually work.
Its seems you think I should make some distinction between local, state and fed workers...and by some leap think that fed workers are better than state or local?
Such a nice thing to have someone of faith. Faith that their tax dollars are hard at work supporting a diligent, hard working, ultra-efficient federal workforce.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,933
4/15/07 9:22:30 PM
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Faith
Such a nice thing to have someone of faith. Faith that their tax dollars are hard at work supporting a diligent, hard working, ultra-efficient federal workforce. I'll put the federal peons up against the perfumed princes of the private sector (Enron, anyone?) any day. And you, Bill? You work so very, very hard as against anyone on the public teat? Prove it. Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #281,934
4/15/07 9:28:53 PM
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sshh, you want us all to get in trouble?
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Post #281,941
4/15/07 10:27:54 PM
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Well at least
Enron's IT dept didn't lose 5 million emails.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,943
4/15/07 10:33:40 PM
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'Lose' is such a casual term . . .
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Post #281,945
4/15/07 10:37:37 PM
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I bet they would have loved to, but they didn't have time...
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Post #281,955
4/15/07 11:14:22 PM
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So now your position is
that the government is more effective/competent than the private sector?
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,964
4/15/07 11:34:06 PM
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Now I know you're on crack.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #282,043
4/16/07 5:51:45 PM
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I'm just interpreting your writing
Feel free to write differently. :-P
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #282,065
4/16/07 9:02:37 PM
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That wouldn't be any fun at all!
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Post #281,972
4/16/07 1:27:30 AM
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Neither did the gubmint
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Post #281,973
4/16/07 2:08:54 AM
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But the RNC did; *White House* e-mails. WTFDYM,"conspiracy"?
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Post #281,974
4/16/07 3:08:41 AM
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Yea, there's no conspiracy . . .
. . they did it all themselves without having to involve anyone else.
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