Post #281,220
4/10/07 10:51:52 AM
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The new racist gotcha
is apparently "you people".
Not allowed. So of course Imus is dead. He's been saying that to everyone equally for years. But yesterday he said it to al sharpton.
Off with his head.
(Before "you people" go crazy..the original comment made to start the furor was so far over the line to be indefensable. However, after listing to Imus for the better part of 15 years I must say I don't consider him racist...he hates everybody equally).
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Post #281,224
4/10/07 11:46:52 AM
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Ding, Ding! Equally hates everyone.
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Post #281,404
4/11/07 2:32:46 PM
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Fire Imus
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Post #281,428
4/11/07 5:38:28 PM
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No. Keep him.
He stirs the pot well for everyone.
Joo ever heard of an instigator?
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Post #281,511
4/12/07 9:49:31 AM
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ever heard of a racist moron?
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Post #281,513
4/12/07 9:51:42 AM
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Several
and at least a couple of them were calling for firing Imus.
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Post #281,529
4/12/07 11:23:03 AM
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What TV shows do they have?
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Post #281,534
4/12/07 11:36:44 AM
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Imus was on one of their radio programs
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Post #281,526
4/12/07 11:18:49 AM
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bigot!=racists, you got the moron right
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Post #281,528
4/12/07 11:22:26 AM
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Re: bigot!=racists, you got the moron right
I don't understand the difference
a bigot towards blacks is a racist
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Post #281,532
4/12/07 11:26:45 AM
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incorrect
a racist is someone who beleives another race is genetically inferior. A bigot dislikes people of another race for their mannerisms customs and actions but recognises their equality in the human chain, Imus is a bigot, not a racist. The aryan brotherhood are racists. The black muslims are racists, both declare other races to be subhuman.
thanx,
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Post #281,540
4/12/07 1:22:14 PM
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Even so, I'd label him racist
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Post #281,545
4/12/07 1:37:35 PM
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on what basis? Ive never heard him declare folks inferior
to whites. Did you hear something I didnt?
or are you claiming that the word racist has channged meaning over time. If so we need to find a new word for what racist means.
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,557
4/12/07 2:38:49 PM
4/12/07 2:55:50 PM
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Re: on what basis? Ive never heard him declare folks inferio
I can't believe he would attack blacks so often and hire a guy to handle
the 'nigger' jokes if he wasn't racist
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Post #281,559
4/12/07 2:43:48 PM
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Dont listem to him, havnt in years
so maybe he has changed. But until the FCC declares him over the line and fines the crap out of him, let the listening public decide.
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,606
4/12/07 7:28:36 PM
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Box trusting the gov to it's the job?
Snowballs in hell going on sale as we speak.
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Post #281,610
4/12/07 7:53:12 PM
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Might be mixing bills
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Post #281,619
4/12/07 8:10:50 PM
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You lost me.
I have no idea what "mixing bills" refers to. Well, I have some ideas, but none that make any sense. Unless, hmm. You and box agree on so many things I mistook you for him. Still doesn't make sense.
What the hell did you just say?
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Post #281,661
4/13/07 2:46:45 AM
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Re: You lost me.
Box has some areas where he thinks the gov can be effective. Me on the other hand...
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Post #281,674
4/13/07 6:08:25 AM
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Please never take a gov job then.
We don't need another person in public service who doesn't believe in public service.
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Post #281,677
4/13/07 6:58:27 AM
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But...
When I worked for the State,I found that many people in public service don't believe in public service...
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #281,678
4/13/07 7:07:37 AM
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Cheeze Louise. That was my damned point.
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Post #281,709
4/13/07 12:12:51 PM
4/13/07 12:13:05 PM
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Ya mean I GOTTA be adversarial? ROFL!
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #281,679
4/13/07 7:37:17 AM
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Thats how I plan to retire
Get a fed job. No work, consistent paycheck. Great benefits.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,810
4/14/07 3:26:13 PM
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beep's facile take on the feds
Get a fed job. No work, consistent paycheck. Great benefits.
Back in the day I worked closely with a number of folks in the late U.S. Customs Service (1789-2003: then a subordinate agency of the Treasury Department; today a re-animated corpse staggering zombie-fashion beneath the benign oversight of the Department of Homeland Security), and was impressed—and surprised, because I had also bought into that notion (in fairness I was in my twenties)—by the professionalism of the (non-uniformed) arm I dealt with. These were people who not infrequently worked uncompensated weekends to keep up with their workloads, and whose conscientious attention to their duties was not merely unrewarded back in the early Reagan administration, but in some cases actually punished. They worked damned hard and did indeed receive both consistent (scarcely lavish) pay and great benefits (four weeks vacation PA after 3 years; five after 15 years), particularly by modern standards. And yes, there was the occasional deadwood, some clowns who would have been fired under a completely rational system. Since the system wasn't completely rational (firing deadwood involved, I gather, a lot of paperwork), Customs management took the easier course of routing the work around them. Those of us who dealt with the agency knew who to avoid.
But hey, beep, if that's your retirement plan, go crazy. For all I know, unqualified and no-work is the rule and not the exception elsewhere among the feds. But if you want to be certain, why not apply for a job at the White House right now?
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #281,811
4/14/07 3:34:57 PM
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ya gotta remember he lives in Joisey across from philly
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Post #281,812
4/14/07 4:25:11 PM
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Washington ain't "the place to be"
and I'm sure there are diligent, hard workers on the Fed payroll just as much as I'm certain there are others that are less diligent. As to which group is the higher number...I believe my opinion is "duly noted".
Those in my family that are earning fed paychecks do actually work. Get alot more holidays than I do, though.
But as box so eloquently pointed out...I live in joisey...where it seems the only qualification necessary to earn close to 200k/yr is to be the gay lover of the governor. Being the brother of the mayor gets you no-bid 5million contracts. There are quite a few on the payroll 2 and 3 times, more dozens of no show employees.
My dream job.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,919
4/15/07 7:39:06 PM
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joisy jobs
"state " does not equal "federal." Your conflation of the two does not astonish me, however.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #281,925
4/15/07 8:39:57 PM
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Its very much the same thing
I know many many many fed employees. As I said in my post. Some of them actually work.
Its seems you think I should make some distinction between local, state and fed workers...and by some leap think that fed workers are better than state or local?
Such a nice thing to have someone of faith. Faith that their tax dollars are hard at work supporting a diligent, hard working, ultra-efficient federal workforce.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,933
4/15/07 9:22:30 PM
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Faith
Such a nice thing to have someone of faith. Faith that their tax dollars are hard at work supporting a diligent, hard working, ultra-efficient federal workforce. I'll put the federal peons up against the perfumed princes of the private sector (Enron, anyone?) any day. And you, Bill? You work so very, very hard as against anyone on the public teat? Prove it. Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #281,934
4/15/07 9:28:53 PM
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sshh, you want us all to get in trouble?
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Post #281,941
4/15/07 10:27:54 PM
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Well at least
Enron's IT dept didn't lose 5 million emails.
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Post #281,943
4/15/07 10:33:40 PM
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'Lose' is such a casual term . . .
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Post #281,945
4/15/07 10:37:37 PM
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I bet they would have loved to, but they didn't have time...
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Post #281,955
4/15/07 11:14:22 PM
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So now your position is
that the government is more effective/competent than the private sector?
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
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Post #281,964
4/15/07 11:34:06 PM
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Now I know you're on crack.
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Post #282,043
4/16/07 5:51:45 PM
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I'm just interpreting your writing
Feel free to write differently. :-P
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #282,065
4/16/07 9:02:37 PM
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That wouldn't be any fun at all!
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Post #281,972
4/16/07 1:27:30 AM
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Neither did the gubmint
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Post #281,973
4/16/07 2:08:54 AM
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But the RNC did; *White House* e-mails. WTFDYM,"conspiracy"?
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Post #281,974
4/16/07 3:08:41 AM
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Yea, there's no conspiracy . . .
. . they did it all themselves without having to involve anyone else.
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Post #281,622
4/12/07 8:22:30 PM
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FCC is an excellent govenment department
whiney afraid to do anything and saved me 200 bucks on a phone fee once :-)
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,665
4/13/07 3:06:22 AM
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What's that, the BOxlish definition of the word?
Never heard that one before; where'd you get it from?
([link|http://www.freedictionary.org/index.php?Query=Bigot&database=%2A&strategy=exact|Here are seven definitions], none of which quite matches yours.)
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Post #281,703
4/13/07 11:22:30 AM
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second entry in an american dictionary
[link|http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot|http://dictionary.re....com/browse/bigot]
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,715
4/13/07 12:45:36 PM
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That's an or-ed list -- it says...
...NOTHING about disliking people of another race, but only "for their mannerisms customs and actions". That list means "disliking people of another group OR disliking people of another religion OR disliking people of another race OR disliking people who espouse different political opinions"; i.e, using the third element of the list, it's totally equal to plain old racism.
The other option, if we define element four as equivalent to your "for their mannerisms customs and actions", says NOTHING ABOUT RACE -- an equal-opportunity political/"mannerisms customs and actions" bigot is supposed to dislike people who differ from himself on those criteria EVEN WHEN they are of the SAME RACE as himself.
Your "defintion" seems to be a muddling-up of at least two different separate concepts (i.e, possible meanings of the word "bigot"), and I don't think you're going to find it reflected in ANY regular dictionary.
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Post #281,801
4/14/07 3:03:05 PM
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caught your punctuation mistake
The correct wording is: "for their mannerisms, customs and actions".
You missed the required comma.
HTH!
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Post #281,850
4/15/07 4:59:30 AM
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Sure you caught a mistake, lad - but not mine. HTH!
That was a direct quote1 from post #281532. Take it up with the BOx, whydoncha.
1: That's what the "quotation marks" mean, you see. (To people who know their punctuation, that is.)
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Post #281,902
4/15/07 4:55:35 PM
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Since your post was far away from his
and not listed as a direct repsonse to that specific post, I could not see that you were quoting The Box.
You are correct: it's The Box's punctuation error, not yours.
lincoln
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #281,908
4/15/07 5:25:45 PM
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Wow!! Box made a punctuation error?
Get away! Never! Really? Do tell...
Listen children, you're adolescents now, so act like adults...
Fuck, if Bill gets one word in ten approximately correct when in shitkicker mode, he's way ahead of his normal game. It usually means that he's drunker than usual or can't remember exactly where he's currently being a shitkicker from.
In the mean time, go play in traffic, the both of you...
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Post #282,021
4/16/07 3:01:49 PM
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I already did
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=280649|post #280649]
lincoln
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #282,022
4/16/07 3:05:39 PM
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flattery will get you everywhere :-)
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Post #281,546
4/12/07 1:38:07 PM
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Have you listened to "Imus in the Morning", his show?
I have for quite a long time.
You obviously have not.
Don Imus hates everyone, including his family and himself. He uses scathing words that can be termed "racist" only when you hear it that way. If you listen and understand and try to ignore the blather of other people, you will become entertained by him.
It is all a game for him. It is the same game Stern plays.
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Post #281,552
4/12/07 2:12:28 PM
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The I-man is the original shock jock.
Stern was a dead rip-off of Imus till he discovered lesbian jokes.
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Post #281,590
4/12/07 5:52:16 PM
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Yeah. Now though...
He may be following Stern to Satellite Radio...
Bummer. Though I haven't heard anything or even hints about CBS "dealing the death blow" yet.
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Post #281,611
4/12/07 7:53:52 PM
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You should've heard by now. All over but the shouting.
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Post #281,565
4/12/07 3:41:10 PM
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There are no non-racists
Anywhere.
Really.
If you haven't seen "Crash", you should - it illustrates the point pretty well.
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,226
4/10/07 11:59:55 AM
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I saw some of that encounter
It was clear that Sharpton would not ever be satisfied despite Imus clearly stating "We don't have an agenda - we're just trying to be funny"
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Post #281,228
4/10/07 12:13:32 PM
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why is he suspended for 2 weeks for saying it once
when every talking head on the tube is braying the same phrase every 5 minutes?
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,242
4/10/07 2:24:43 PM
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Even better...
Rev J Jackson [link|http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070409imus-protest,0,2410003.story?coll=chi-news-hed|calling for this head] after [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/jackson.htm|his little incident].
Truly a case of do as I say and not as I do.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,250
4/10/07 2:47:41 PM
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As soon as Jesse gets syndicated, fire him.
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Post #281,290
4/10/07 6:42:43 PM
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He wasn't suspended for the you people remark
He was suspended for the original remark and the fact that people were starting to cancel.
Seamus
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Post #281,298
4/10/07 8:52:12 PM
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No. But Sharpton knew better
and still chased him on it during the interview on Sharpton's show.
Its one of Imus' fallback phrases, yet yesterday Al tried to turn even that statement into a racist slur.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,320
4/11/07 1:30:59 AM
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NO, No, no... nonono.
How DARE you besmirch the Reverend Al Sharpton.
I am appalled. You should not have done it.
No, MUCH worse is required. Please drag it into the putrid mud from a slaughter pig's pen.
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Post #281,331
4/11/07 7:21:13 AM
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Sharpton knew better? What evidence do you have for that?
Sharpton is an agitator and Imus knew what he was getting himself into. 'You people', with its us vs them connotations, has been a term that fairly easily turns tense situations into racial situations. Obviously, he felt he needed to go on Sharpton's show, but he should have been better prepared. You can't go onto someone else's show trying to salvage your reputation AND expect the host behave any differently than he normally does or to be able to change his mind.
It is not fair, but the onus was on Imus prove himself. He didn't and he has no one to blame but himself.
Seamus
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Post #281,332
4/11/07 7:41:44 AM
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Don's a big boy.
Caveat: I've never seen or listened to his show.
He's a big boy and has been around long enough, and been on the radio long enough, and talked to enough people to know that there are certain expressions that upset people.
"You people" can be quite offensive to some people in certain contexts. Would he have a conversation with Pat Robertson and say "You people..."? I don't think so. There's often a racial undercurrent to it, and people pick up on that. People don't say "Boy" to black men any more, either (and there's a reason why it was never said the same way to white men even though in many contexts it's a harmless word).
This stuff really isn't that difficult to figure out. If you use language with one person that's obviously a member of one racial/gender/ethnic group you wouldn't use with another who isn't, then you should think carefully about the implications of that language. Would Imus want his daughter referred to the same way he referred to the Rutgers team? When he figures out why not, he shouldn't get in these troubles as much.
Sharpton has his audience and his reputation. Imus shouldn't have expected an easy time on the show, and by digging himself in deeper it shows that he still Doesn't Get It yet.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #281,339
4/11/07 8:14:23 AM
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Wrong
"Would he have a conversation with Pat Robertson and say "You people..."? I don't think so."
Yes he would. Does it all the time. Its the Imus version of "y'all". Sharpton's been on and I'm sure has listened on and off for years (NY AM radio icon for 30yrs...)
And you know...pop culture is building this double standard. "Ho" and "bitch" are common greetings now in hip-hop. Pop culture is more demeaning to women than Imus could ever be. Its the racial double standard that bugs me the most. A word of a phrase said by one black to another is acceptable, and said by anyone else makes them racist.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,343
4/11/07 8:40:54 AM
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How do you know Sharpton would think that Imus means y'all
when he says you people?
Maybe Imus really means you people when he says you people?
Either way, Imus is there to cover his ass, he wasn't able to do it. Imus is a shark, he knows when there is blood in the water what the other sharks are going to do. He went on Sharpton's show and let himself get bloodied again.
The fact that some young women have bought into the race to the bottom in terms of popular culture makes what Imus said acceptable?
As you can tell I don't listen to Imus, I don't find him funny or entertaining.
There are plenty of double standards in life, and you don't change them just by bitching about them.
Seamus
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Post #281,359
4/11/07 10:34:18 AM
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Like I said
you don't spend 30 years up here without know Imus's schtik.
Sharpton knows Imus. Thats why, imo, Imus agreed to go on the show in the first place. And Sharpton took advantage to hang a ratings competitor out to dry.
You're right, Don's a big boy and should have know better.
And I've never said the statement was acceptable. Not once. Read my other posts.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,344
4/11/07 8:52:31 AM
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Those words are used in Hip Hop for a reason.
They're used because they're offensive to the society at large. They have shock value and they are meant to indicate that the people saying them are powerful and they don't care about those societal norms. When people outside the group use that language, they aren't using it for the same reasons and shouldn't claim that they words are Ok because some other group uses them. If more "mainstream" people want to play in that sandbox, they need to be prepared to take the dirt and criticism that goes with it. I don't see it as a double-standard so much, myself.
I spent many years in Georgia when I was young - in the 1960s-1970s. There's a big difference between the connotations of "y'all" and "you people" - especially between groups.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #281,360
4/11/07 10:36:50 AM
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I certainly do.
Because it makes a distintion between people and insult...driving to though police.
There should be no difference in reaction to being called a ho by a black man or a white man. The woman should be equally offended. If she is not, then she also is a racist and you have not solved the problem, only made it worse.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,328
4/11/07 4:45:13 AM
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Sharpton shows up on Hardball
and based on what he says - all rap stations must be take off the air immediately.
A quick google for top 50 rap songs of all time brings up this lovely bit in the #1 tune:
I put hoes in NY onto DKNY (uh-huh)
Miami, D.C. prefer Versace (that's right)
All Philly hoes, dough and Moschino (c'mon)
Every cutie wit a booty bought a Coogi (haaaaah!)
Now who's the real dookie, meanin who's really the shit
Them niggaz ride dicks, Frank White push the sticks
on the Lexus, LX, four and a half
Yeah - black pride. Right. Clean your own house first.
Who can talk to black people - how can one know how?
I4 NOW!
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Post #281,333
4/11/07 7:48:49 AM
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I talk to them all the time, no probs. Its an attitude thing
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Post #281,341
4/11/07 8:17:03 AM
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Even better...
...is that the pop radio stations edit that. So the version you hear doesn't have that. Then when little Johnny goes to best buy and picks up the cd..he gets the full monty.
Best example of that currently is AKON.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,366
4/11/07 11:36:22 AM
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So it is OK for the pot and kettle
but the pitcher must be fired.
Whatever.
I4 NOW!
Impeach, Indict, Incarcerate, Inject
Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice
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Post #281,398
4/11/07 1:42:02 PM
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What?
Just making sure you aren't taking away any level of "beep thinks its ok" from this thread. I don't. At any level.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,401
4/11/07 2:06:56 PM
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It isn't always about you, you know
I agree with you - the whole thing is stupid on all levels. Imus should learn to shut up. Sharpton should attack rap if he really objects to this shit. What pointless spectacle will the media focus on next?
I4 NOW!
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Post #281,402
4/11/07 2:16:43 PM
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You posted that as a reply to me.
Pardon me if that created some confusion.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,371
4/11/07 11:53:53 AM
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Saw that.
Did you see how indignant he got when the [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton#Tawana_Brawley_Controversy|Tawana Brawley] case was mentioned. The pot calling the kettle black or double standards, if you prefer.
Imus was dead wrong.
As proved in court, so was Sharpton. He just loves to play the "Now I've got you, you son of a bitch!" game.
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #281,450
4/11/07 7:59:17 PM
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"So of course Imus is dead"
[link|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18046014/|Now] he is.
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Post #281,570
4/12/07 4:11:59 PM
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Maybe he'll go to satellite radio
he'll have less listeners, but will escape the clutches of the FCC that way.
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Post #281,612
4/12/07 7:55:14 PM
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Assuming satellite radio survives, that is...
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