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New Quick! Tell me everything you know about quantum physics
Please.
And thank you.
New Things are different when really really small.
[link|http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm|Britney Spears Explains Semiconductor Physics].

If not, here's a really condensed version.

1) No two particles can exist in the same "state".
2) There are fundamental constraints on how precisely you can know the properties of a particular particle. E.g. If you know the particle's position accurately, you will know less about its velocity.

This ultimately gives rise to things like [link|http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/band.html|energy bands] which explain the differences between insulators, semiconductors and metals.

Does that help a little?

[edit:] A more detailed introduction with extensive links is at the [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_quantum_mechanics|Wikipedia].

Cheers,
Scott.
Expand Edited by Another Scott March 21, 2007, 09:43:33 PM EDT
New That part I get
Britney Spears? Seriously?
New Everything on that site is true.
Except the bit about Britney being involved with it, of course. ;-) It's been around for many years.

It's a good site for learning the basics of semiconductor physics as applied to lasers and the like.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I dont doubt that
But I cant get past the whole Britney thing. Anyway, I found some old threads that have been most illuminating. String theory is what I'm stuck on.
New Nobody understands string theory.
Some pretend they do. ;-)

But there have been some interesting articles in the news recently that might indicate that there's more to string theory than DRL (our antimatter33 friend) and others believe.

[link|http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19325954.200-the-universe-is-a-stringnet-liquid.html|New Scientist] (subscription required to see the full article):

[...]

Light and matter unified

The pair ran simulations to see if their string-nets could give rise to conventional particles and fractionally charged quasi-particles. They did. They also found something even more surprising. As the net of strings vibrated, it produced a wave that behaved according to a very familiar set of laws - Maxwell's equations, which describe the behaviour of light. "A hundred and fifty years after Maxwell wrote them down, here they emerged by accident," says Wen.

That wasn't all. They found that their model naturally gave rise to other elementary particles, such as quarks, which make up protons and neutrons, and the particles responsible for some of the fundamental forces, such as gluons and the W and Z bosons.

From this, the researchers made another leap. Could the entire universe be modelled in a similar way? "Suddenly we realised, maybe the vacuum of our whole universe is a string-net liquid," says Wen. "It would provide a unified explanation of how both light and matter arise." So in their theory elementary particles are not the fundamental building blocks of matter. Instead, they emerge from the deeper structure of the non-empty vacuum of space-time.

"Wen and Levin's theory is really beautiful stuff," says Michael Freedman, 1986 winner of the Fields medal, the highest prize in mathematics, and a quantum computing specialist at Microsoft Station Q at the University of California, Santa Barbara. "I admire their approach, which is to be suspicious of anything - electrons, photons, Maxwell's equations - that everyone else accepts as fundamental."

Other theories that try to explain the same phenomena abound, of course; Wen and Levin realise that the burden of proof is on them. It may not be far off. Their model predicts specific arrangements of atoms in the new state of matter, which they dub the "string-net liquid", and Young Lee's group at MIT might have found it.

Lee was aware of Wen's work and decided to look for such materials. Trawling through geology journals, his team spotted a candidate - a dark green crystal that geologists stumbled across in the mountains of Chile in 1972. "The geologists named it after a mineralogist they really admired, Herbert Smith, labelled it and put it to one side," says Lee. "They didn't realise the potential herbertsmithite would have for physicists years later."

Herbertsmithite (pictured) is unusual because its electrons are arranged in a triangular lattice. Normally, electrons prefer to line up so that their spins are in the opposite direction to that of their immediate neighbours, but in a triangle this is impossible - there will always be neighbouring electrons spinning in the same direction. Wen and his colleagues propose that such a system would be a string-net liquid.

Although herbertsmithite exists in nature, the mineral contains impurities that disrupt any string-net signatures, says Lee. So Lee's team made a pure sample in the lab. "It was painstaking," says Lee. "It took us a full year to prepare it and another year to analyse it."

The team measured the degree of magnetisation in the material, in response to an applied magnetic field. If herbertsmithite behaves like ordinary matter, they argue, then below about 26 \ufffdC the spins of its electrons should stop fluctuating - a condition called magnetic order. But the team found no such transition, even down to just a fraction above absolute zero.

They measured other properties, too, such as heat conduction. In conventional solids, the relationship between their temperature and their ability to conduct heat changes below a certain temperature, because the structure of the material changes. The team found no sign of such a transition in herbertsmithite, suggesting that, unlike other types of matter, its lowest energy state has no discernible order. "We could have created something in the lab that nobody has seen before," says Lee.

[...]


I don't know enough of the details to know if this is as strong a validation of Wen and Levin's string-net theory as the article implies. But it's interesting.

Cheers,
Scott.
New The theory of everything
Here's my britney explanation... Einstein and other physicists of the 20th century failed miserably in their attempts to produce a unified theory of forces (strong, weak, electromagnetic, and gravity). String theory is an attempt to build a mathematical model that explains all the forces in a single unified framework - stringy thingies are said to be the magic glue.
New I cant visualize it in my head
I read. I mull it over. I think I get it. I'm just on the edge of getting it. And then poof. Gone. I cant see it.
New Of course you can't
The human mind is not built to visualize or understand reality on that scale.

That is why scientists use huge complex mathematical models. Because intuition counts for nothing at that level.

Jay
New But...But...
Conceptualizing is the part of understanding.
There has to be something real, something tangible, at the end of those mathematical models. Something to sink your teeth into, so to speak.
New Only if you have really teeny teeth.
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New Now THAT I can visualize!
New Nicely condensed intro :-)
And a coup! - finding

[image|http://britneyspears.ac/images/bs2.jpg||||]

Now imagine her enunciationg 'rho', 'h-bar' and a 'nu' or two. With a pout.

Sometimes such a find makes all this techno obsession Almost worth it..



Nahhhh.. driving just tooo many batshit, along the way -

New if you can observe it, the particles state is unknown
email antimatter33 at yahoo dot com explain that I asked if he would assist. He does very well at explaining to the clueless. He has enlightened me many times.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

reach me at [link|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
New Who exactly would I be emailing?
I KNOW it cant be Mike.
New An old regular around here. He knows his physics.
New Yeah. He finally got published.
But he is a detractor of string theory.

I agree with him, as far as I can follow, FWIW.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Uh....huh?
Everything I know about physics I (happily!) left behind in college. Where it belongs.

Oh, that, and I read "A Brief History of Time."
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New Wrong Mike
Hence your confusion. Sorry.
New astrophysic working on his piled higher and deeper
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

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New Re: Quick! Tell me everything you know about quantum physic
1) Quantum physics is entirely for math geeks and the like; the metaphors used to try to convey the strangeness of n-dimensional space VS our quaint daily experience of 3-D 'space' - all are fanciful *musings ... if calculus, tensors are Greek to a one.

* laughably faux 'The Simpsons meet Bambi', on the PBS String Theory dog & pony show I saw a couple years back. But then.. who on that 'panel' was ready to discuss the Bhagavad Gita, either [rhetorical question.]

2) String Theory is more metaphysics than physics; shall remain so for as long as its postulates may not be tested by any (yet conceived) experiment: no experiment, no 'science', y'see?

3) Since most Westerners are iggerant of even elementary means of thinking metaphysically - I think it likely that many String-ers have yet to realize just what arena they are jousting within; would likely be embarrassed to find out, given the local mores and religio-memes (if afflicted with conventional mindsets) ... just a guess, mind you.

4) Along the trail from Newton to Einsteinian concepts - [biased opinion] I think particle physics / "accelerator physics" is the most fun, since F=MA and the electrical disciplines' equivalents for that: Rulez, re the way the machines work.

Then, as particles accelerate nearer to C (lightspeed, er Warp 1?) - concepts like the 'beta' of a particle emerge next (a merely algebraic expression relating to speeds near this limit.) No calculus needed - though it's certainly helpful for the bigger picture.

At least, at this level - - - the physics is comprehensible with no obscure math, little abstraction of the sort needed: merely to begin grokking WTF the String Brigade are yammering about.

In any event, and however you proceed: this-all is a bloody good workout for the little grey cells - best that these wear out rather than rust out, no?
;^>

Bon appetit


Oh.. er, 'beta':

the square root of (1 - v\ufffd/c\ufffd)

where
v= velocity of a particle
c= the speed of light (in whatever units, say 2.9977.. x 1010 cm/sec

..there ya go --->
New I'm just on the brink
Of some kind of personal epiphany, I think. On the verge of reconciling my reality. The answers are there, just behind the veil, and I cant get my head around them. It is incredibly frustrating. I was hoping to find some answers in the nano-world. Instead, I am getting a headache.
New Could be worse
You could be having delusions of understanding. Awful discouraging when reality sets in.

Happens to me a lot...
New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #279236 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=279236|ICLRPD]

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New You're too young..
(I gather there have been exceptions..)

Best brief summary encountered, thus far - -

Ideally (!), just near the 'end' {all-in-our-minds also, natch} comes the Giant \ufffd\ufffdAHA!! - as a consequence of which: you get to choose:

Door A:
You get off the wheel of karma..
finally realize {D'Ohhhhh}
that you *Are* {always Were} 'one-with-the-Absolute'; need not ever be subject to the illusionary World-of-Duality; need never bear again, infinite bafflegab uttered by Sincere-Fools, [___ - fill in blanks] - and all the rest of that either/or BS of the daily sleep-walking.

Door B:
You don't get off the wheel of karma..
Have to keep coming back till you get it Right.

(Seems to take a whole 'yuga' of repetitions for some.. to have achieved a surfeit of infotainment / tire, finally of ignorant armies clashing by night ... signifying precisely - - -)


Disclaimer


Sorry to report, though :-/
there appears to be consensus among all Sages that -- there's no process, 'course', magic formula one can be handed: which guarantees a shot at Door A.
.... Oh well.





Be cool.
New Re: Quick! Tell me everything you know about quantum physics
1. It's all weird.
2. No, it really is.
3. Stuff does weird shit at tiny scales.
4. I mean REALLY weird.
5. Er, that's it.


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New If you think it makes sense, you don't understand it

  • Everything, including light, is both a wave and a particle and the behaviour it shows depends on how it's observed. Particles above atomic scale have such large wavelengths that it's not measurable.

  • Something's position and velocity cannot be measured exactly. The more accurately one is measured, the more the other measurement is messed. There is a theoretical, minimum product of position error and velocity error, which is known as Planck's constant, I think. Fortunately, such unavoidable errors are too small to mess up human scales.

  • Things can't be said to actually have a position or velocity, merely probabilities of being at a particular place or having a particular velocity. They are more like vague, probabilities smears. There can be tiny chance that an electron moves through a barrier, even though it never acquires the energy required to jump that barrier. This is known electron tunnelling and affects microprocessor design.

  • Subatomic particles can spontaneously appear from nothing with its anti-particle. Even a vacuum has a 'vacuum energy' that has subatomic particles appearing and annihilating each other all the time. Sadly, this energy is too weak and too random to be used.

  • The famous Schrodingers cat experiment is merely an idea to show the absurdity of Quantum physics. The probabilities of the vague, wave-particles interact to create vast numbers of possible scenarios, which exist simulataneously until they are observed and collapse to leave just one. By sticking a cat in a closed box and hooking a radioactive particle to break a poison vial, there are two possible scenarios in this case: the particle spontaneously triggers, breaking the vial and killing the cat; the particle fails to trigger and the cat remains alive. The cat is both dead and alive. When the box is opened or the contents otherwise observed, then the possible scenarios collapse leaving just one.

  • Quantum physics underpins modern microelectronics and chemistry. If Quantum physics is wrong, I don't want to know about it.

Matthew Greet


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New I know how to spell it.
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New Cococo-cococococo-cococo-co-coco
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New rrrrrrrooowwrrrrr! Yes above the head.
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Expand Edited by folkert March 23, 2007, 08:22:10 AM EDT
New Besides which, EVERYBODY knows it's corocococococooo...
New Take off, you hosers!
Smile,
Amy
New and you.
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New yep. you to.
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New The reference is to:
Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.

Coco: The bird, airplane thing that only says "Coco".

Every body understands her, she is exceptionally brilliant and knows how to do everything and can understand and explain it all with the word "Coco". She also lays "plastic eggs" with anything and everything in them.

So when I said:
Cococo-cococococo-cococo-co-coco
It explained Quantum Physics in a Nut (Coco) Shell.

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     Quick! Tell me everything you know about quantum physics - (bionerd) - (35)
         Things are different when really really small. - (Another Scott) - (11)
             That part I get - (bionerd) - (9)
                 Everything on that site is true. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                     I dont doubt that - (bionerd) - (7)
                         Nobody understands string theory. - (Another Scott)
                         The theory of everything - (ChrisR) - (5)
                             I cant visualize it in my head - (bionerd) - (4)
                                 Of course you can't - (JayMehaffey) - (3)
                                     But...But... - (bionerd) - (2)
                                         Only if you have really teeny teeth. -NT - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                             Now THAT I can visualize! -NT - (bionerd)
             Nicely condensed intro :-) - (Ashton)
         if you can observe it, the particles state is unknown - (boxley) - (6)
             Who exactly would I be emailing? - (bionerd) - (5)
                 An old regular around here. He knows his physics. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     Yeah. He finally got published. - (imric)
                 Uh....huh? - (Yendor) - (1)
                     Wrong Mike - (bionerd)
                 astrophysic working on his piled higher and deeper -NT - (boxley)
         Re: Quick! Tell me everything you know about quantum physic - (Ashton) - (4)
             I'm just on the brink - (bionerd) - (3)
                 Could be worse - (hnick)
                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (imric)
                 You're too young.. - (Ashton)
         Re: Quick! Tell me everything you know about quantum physics - (pwhysall)
         If you think it makes sense, you don't understand it - (warmachine)
         I know how to spell it. -NT - (Silverlock)
         Cococo-cococococo-cococo-co-coco -NT - (folkert) - (7)
             Welcome to the Great White North - (bepatient) - (5)
                 rrrrrrrooowwrrrrr! Yes above the head. - (folkert) - (4)
                     Besides which, EVERYBODY knows it's corocococococooo... -NT - (jake123) - (3)
                         Take off, you hosers! -NT - (imqwerky) - (1)
                             and you. -NT - (folkert)
                         yep. you to. -NT - (folkert)
             The reference is to: - (folkert)

I have fun with that on St Patrick’s day until they start to chase me.
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