What evil. Just like the EU.

Post #278,775 by bepatient 3/18/07 10:49:45 PM Reply	What evil. Just like the EU. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #278,787 by inthane-chan 3/19/07 2:34:14 AM Reply	I'm not against integration per se... ...I'm just against it being done without our consent. If it's used to drag our labor laws, our environmental rights, and our political freedoms down to the level of Mexico, then I'm against it. If it's used to dismantle Canada's health care system, I'm against it. If it's used to empower the wealthy elite at the expense of the common man, then I'm against it. A more complete union, for the right reasons, would be a very good thing. I just don't trust this current crew, at least in the United States, with having my best interests at heart. Odoru aho ni miru aho! Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #278,790 by jake123 3/19/07 2:47:51 AM Reply	You don't wanna trust Stockboy Day, either You can trust me on that one. He's as out there as they come. I'm still out on Hillier, but he's been being pretty dumb lately around the question of Afghan detainees; he doesn't seem to grok why it matters what happens to the people we capture (hello, Geneva, hello, speaking... hello?!?). The harmonization of food and drug standards doesn't seem like that huge a deal, unless it's about bovine growth hormone becoming legal in Canada. I'm with you on this; the idea of more cooperation isn't bad. The idea of Fortress North America is, and when that meeting was reported up here (which it was at the time) it was mostly seen as a forum for people to argue for that. One notable example was the Council of Canadian CEOs, who were arguing for much greater integration of our economies. When they say they want something, most Canadians assume (rightly, IMhO; see Boxley, Boxlish etc re: Canadian business people) that it will be bad for them.
Post #278,798 by JayMehaffey 3/19/07 8:58:06 AM Reply	No, it will be worse The EU central government has it's problems. Too much power in the hands of political appointee bureaucrats and too much obscure procedure. But they are accountable to the individual governments and to the public. And the countries involved joined openly and freely. The goal of the North American integration movement seems to be to avoid the 'problem' of public accountability and national authority. These are the people who admire the WTO's more or less secret court system, which in theory has the power to overturn the national laws of member states if they are contrary to business interests. As far as I can tell, what they really trying to do is create a government where the only citizens are big corporations. One that will have access to American capital, Mexican labor and Canadian resources, without pesky national laws getting in the way. Jay

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