Plausible deniability

Post #278,464 by drewk 3/16/07 2:27:40 PM Reply	Plausible deniability Bill, I think what's happening is that people "know" that when Rove asks a question, it's not just a question. Same as when Hillary "fired" the travel staff. There are people who don't technically have any legal authority behind what they're asking, but they seem to get their way. In this specific case, it may very well be true that Rove was simply asking for information. But in a culture where people wield influence that goes beyond their job description, where orders are passed by implication, and everyone likes it that way[1], you can no more prove who didn't order something than you can prove who did. [1] I'm not talking about this administration. I'm talking about the whole Beltway world. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,479 by Another Scott 3/16/07 3:36:52 PM Reply	Yup. My impression is that much more is going on than is stated explicitly in the e-mails. Things don't usually percolate in big organizations for nearly 2 years without someone pushing it. Harriet Miers doesn't seem to me to be a person who would be pushing these things - she strikes me as someone who does what she's asked. Who asked? Well, who stood to benefit from the changes? Friends of Karl, perhaps? People worried about losing the House and Senate in close races, perhaps? IOW, the need to follow the trail wherever it leads. Don't, at this point, accept that it was Miers and Samson's fault because they were freelancing (or something). Cheers, Scott.
Post #278,492 by bepatient 3/16/07 4:05:35 PM Reply	This is exactly what starts it ppl read the headline. Don't read the emails. Don't apply it to everyday in a HUGE org. A suggesting is made..and by all accounts it was made by Harriet...but it could have been anyone considering they were just getting started with 2nd term, that they do a second term purge. Most don't like the idea..ask for alternatives. One of the leaders and assistants to the Pres (KR) checks on status by poking his head in a door. Lacky shoots off an email saying "bossman stopped by and asked" And what was the headline? "Karl Rove Was Involved in Firing of Attorneys, Email Shows" 'Rove was in the middle of this mess' Its Rove...so its SCANDAL. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #278,497 by drewk 3/16/07 4:22:21 PM Reply	Isn't it also possible Rove is an un-elected political operative. As such he has no legal authority in anything. But people quickly learn that he has the backing of the president and other powerful administration officials. Eventually, his "requests" are little different from "orders" except without the accountability. People who understand the way Washington works know to only document the things that make them look good, or cover their own asses. As long as no one can prove who was behind something, no one can ever be held to account for it. Washington has worked this way for a long time before the current crew came to power. So like I said, it's possible that you're absolutely right, and that Rove had nothing to do with it. But do you really believe it couldn't have happened the other way? === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,500 by bepatient 3/16/07 4:33:37 PM Reply	On this matter if I were to give odds...99.9 to .1 that Rove initiated this. >thats< how unlikely I think it is. I certainly think he knew...it was a term change, he's a key advisor on the President's staff...and as such I would expect him, as part of his JOB, to follow up on key initiatives in each of the big exec branches, including Justice. I would also certainly EXPECT cronyism and a suggesting to the folks doing the replacing that "I have a friend"...and yes..I would expect the lacky to consider this important to act on..since Karl is pretty close to the boss. However, I believe with near certainty that is the complete extent of his involvement. He asked the question. Now we have a week of press coverage of him doing his job. (but its a SCANDAL). Starting to make me pine for more coverage of Anna Nicole. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #278,503 by drewk 3/16/07 4:57:03 PM Reply	Shut your mouth Nothing should make you pine for more coverage of her. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,505 by Seamus 3/16/07 5:46:51 PM Reply	Miers did not start it From what I have seen in the coverage her suggestion to fire them all was made in Feb 2005. The start of the mess goes back to at least Jan 2005. For the last 6 years Rove has been intimately involved in policy and politics. One of his former employees gets a district in Arkansas and all he did was poke his head in the door? That is BS. I don't know if he started it, but he was involved in it. I would guess his goal in being involved with this was related to the 2006 elections and the voting demographics. I do believe that 'voter fraud' gets translated to keeping republican voters voting and derailing non-republican voters by state and local republicans and Rove knows this. Seamus

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