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New 2 GB RAM
our head of IT came back from an MS meeting and said he was told that all new machines should have 2 GB or more

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New Re: 2 GB RAM
Can't get excited about that. At this moment in time, I'd spec 2GB for a desktop machine be it destined to run Windows, Linux or OS X.


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New 4 GB
I'd bet this is what Vista would want to run well

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New Nope, consensus is 2GB
Go google it.

More is always better, of course.


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New Re: Nope, consensus is 2GB
that's how I got the 4 GB figure by doubling the 'consensus'

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New Wait, aren't you the MS fan here?
And even you are expecting the real requirements to be double the published requirements?
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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New I know this is counter-culture here...
... but I don't see him as a Microsoft fan, just a pragmatic user.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Huh? What's "pragmatic user" about trying to spin....
...everything in MS' favour, as s/he usually does?

He's a shill, plain and simple.


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New I don't see it that way...
... but then again, we've had this argument in the past and I don't expect you to change your opinion. :-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Yeah, but then - aren't you the one with the eye problems?
Sorry... But admit it, that was impossible to resist.


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New If that affected it...
... then I should see twice the shill you do.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Ah.
Touché.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
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New But one of them will be missing the head
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New the MS fan here
I like MS
I don't think this blinds me
so if they want to have 1 GB (what the public is told) or
2 GB (what real world users are told)
I know I want more
apparently there is an issue that came over from XP to Vista which makes
Windows have a hard time with RAM over 3 GB
so maybe I don't want 4 (or I want 64 bit and 8)

I have enough XP boxes here to back up my conclusion that only those with 2 GB run in an acceptable manor -- which most don't have

since Vista is new, it is likely to require more

if anyone was able to go back to the various boards over the years
I think they would see that most of the issues that have put me in a small minority were legal issues - none of us are lawyers but we are all opinionated
a few were philosophical -- is the browser an integral part of the OS
or should MS opponents compete in the industry or in the courts

I certainly do not believe that MS can do no wrong

I use MS stuff everyday:

Server 2003
Server 2000
Windows 2000
Windows XP
IE6
IE7
Office 2000
Office 2003
Office 2007
Visual Studio.NET 2005

corporate uses

Exchange
OWA

some of these products are better than others but they all manage to get most of the work done
they do not crash constantly (they do not have 99.99% uptime)
they are not constantly virus or spyware infected although these things happen (less and less as time goes by)

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New FWIW
I think you're an MS fan the same way I think Beep is a Republican Party fan. Sure, you see the same warts with MS and their products that everyone else sees. It's just that you're the one who defends them.

If someone slams Philadelphia, I might take the time to defend it. If they slam Cleveland I probably won't. And whether I do or not in either case will probably have more to do with my mood than with the validity of the slam or the merits of the city.

Bottom line is, there are lots of unfair or misleading statements made here all the time about all kinds of products, people, companies and issues. The only ones you (seem to) care about correcting are the ones against Microsoft. That doesn't make you a shill, or an apologist, but it does IMO make you a "fan".
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New you forgot to say
not that there's anything wrong with that

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New Yes there is
New and that would be.....
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New Lots (new thread)
Created as new thread #278535 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=278535|Lots]
New I just ordered a system with 16GB
8 core dual socket 2Ghz Xeon.
It'll boot VMWare, and then my Linux / Windows images will run under it.
Wheeeeee!
New Boot VMWare? Doesn't it need a host OS?
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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New Yep, nope.
They use a stripped down tuned Linux kernel
Dell ships it pre-installed and configured for their hardware as a package deal.
New Does the free version do that, too?
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New Nope
Free version needs needs OS.
And it slower.
And stripped down.
New VMware ESX.
ESX runs the machine. Everything is virtualized after that.

Has been a very good product since it was published. I first sampled it in 2000.

edit: oops a tpyo.
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Expand Edited by folkert March 15, 2007, 01:02:24 PM EDT
     Vista - for review and comment. - (Andrew Grygus) - (44)
         OK, here's one of my usual nits: - (CRConrad) - (1)
             Re: OK, here's one of my usual nits: - (Andrew Grygus)
         You should add a bit about CAD in Vista - (tonytib) - (3)
             I wasn't aware of that . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Re: You should add a bit about CAD in Vista - (altmann) - (1)
                 That's the leading theory, but no proof yet it's the cause -NT - (tonytib)
         Re: Vista - for review and comment. - (altmann) - (3)
             Thanks, that needs to be re-worded . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                 I got bit by the CD writer once, too - (drewk) - (1)
                     I repeat over and over to my clients . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         My nits/edits/suggestions - (drewk) - (3)
             Thanks, many of your suggestions have been . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                 But can you create non-premium content? - (drewk) - (1)
                     I haven't heard that . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         Another tiny nit. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             Dang! I was thinking to myself . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Re: Another tiny nit. - (pwhysall)
         2 GB RAM - (andread) - (24)
             Re: 2 GB RAM - (pwhysall) - (17)
                 4 GB - (andread) - (16)
                     Nope, consensus is 2GB - (pwhysall) - (15)
                         Re: Nope, consensus is 2GB - (andread) - (14)
                             Wait, aren't you the MS fan here? - (drewk) - (13)
                                 I know this is counter-culture here... - (admin) - (6)
                                     Huh? What's "pragmatic user" about trying to spin.... - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                         I don't see it that way... - (admin) - (4)
                                             Yeah, but then - aren't you the one with the eye problems? - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                                 If that affected it... - (admin) - (2)
                                                     Ah. - (CRConrad)
                                                     But one of them will be missing the head -NT - (drewk)
                                 the MS fan here - (andread) - (5)
                                     FWIW - (drewk) - (4)
                                         you forgot to say - (andread) - (3)
                                             Yes there is -NT - (crazy) - (2)
                                                 and that would be..... -NT - (andread) - (1)
                                                     Lots (new thread) - (crazy)
             I just ordered a system with 16GB - (crazy) - (5)
                 Boot VMWare? Doesn't it need a host OS? -NT - (drewk) - (4)
                     Yep, nope. - (crazy) - (2)
                         Does the free version do that, too? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                             Nope - (crazy)
                     VMware ESX. - (folkert)
         Re: Vista - for review and comment. - (pwhysall)
         More refs - (drewk)

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