2 GB RAM

I like MS
I don't think this blinds me
so if they want to have 1 GB (what the public is told) or
2 GB (what real world users are told)
I know I want more
apparently there is an issue that came over from XP to Vista which makes
Windows have a hard time with RAM over 3 GB
so maybe I don't want 4 (or I want 64 bit and 8)

I have enough XP boxes here to back up my conclusion that only those with 2 GB run in an acceptable manor -- which most don't have

since Vista is new, it is likely to require more

if anyone was able to go back to the various boards over the years
I think they would see that most of the issues that have put me in a small minority were legal issues - none of us are lawyers but we are all opinionated
a few were philosophical -- is the browser an integral part of the OS
or should MS opponents compete in the industry or in the courts

I certainly do not believe that MS can do no wrong

I use MS stuff everyday:

Server 2003
Server 2000
Windows 2000
Windows XP
IE6
IE7
Office 2000
Office 2003
Office 2007
Visual Studio.NET 2005

corporate uses

Exchange
OWA

some of these products are better than others but they all manage to get most of the work done
they do not crash constantly (they do not have 99.99% uptime)
they are not constantly virus or spyware infected although these things happen (less and less as time goes by)

A

I think you're an MS fan the same way I think Beep is a Republican Party fan. Sure, you see the same warts with MS and their products that everyone else sees. It's just that you're the one who defends them.

If someone slams Philadelphia, I might take the time to defend it. If they slam Cleveland I probably won't. And whether I do or not in either case will probably have more to do with my mood than with the validity of the slam or the merits of the city.

Bottom line is, there are lots of unfair or misleading statements made here all the time about all kinds of products, people, companies and issues. The only ones you (seem to) care about correcting are the ones against Microsoft. That doesn't make you a shill, or an apologist, but it does IMO make you a "fan".

Post #278,221 by andread 3/14/07 10:19:23 AM Reply	2 GB RAM our head of IT came back from an MS meeting and said he was told that all new machines should have 2 GB or more A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #278,223 by pwhysall 3/14/07 10:29:34 AM Reply	Re: 2 GB RAM Can't get excited about that. At this moment in time, I'd spec 2GB for a desktop machine be it destined to run Windows, Linux or OS X. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #278,229 by andread 3/14/07 2:22:39 PM Reply	4 GB I'd bet this is what Vista would want to run well A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #278,231 by pwhysall 3/14/07 2:43:22 PM Reply	Nope, consensus is 2GB Go google it. More is always better, of course. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #278,252 by andread 3/14/07 4:50:06 PM Reply	Re: Nope, consensus is 2GB that's how I got the 4 GB figure by doubling the 'consensus' A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #278,256 by drewk 3/14/07 5:12:22 PM Reply	Wait, aren't you the MS fan here? And even you are expecting the real requirements to be double the published requirements? === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,259 by admin 3/14/07 5:18:19 PM Reply	I know this is counter-culture here... ... but I don't see him as a Microsoft fan, just a pragmatic user. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #278,265 by CRConrad 3/14/07 5:46:10 PM Reply	Huh? What's "pragmatic user" about trying to spin.... ...everything in MS' favour, as s/he usually does? He's a shill, plain and simple. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #278,266 by admin 3/14/07 5:51:01 PM Reply	I don't see it that way... ... but then again, we've had this argument in the past and I don't expect you to change your opinion. :-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #278,274 by CRConrad 3/14/07 7:08:30 PM Reply	Yeah, but then - aren't you the one with the eye problems? Sorry... But admit it, that was impossible to resist. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #278,275 by admin 3/14/07 7:39:33 PM Reply	If that affected it... ... then I should see twice the shill you do. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #278,276 by CRConrad 3/14/07 7:50:17 PM Reply	Ah. Touché. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #278,286 by drewk 3/14/07 10:14:13 PM Reply	But one of them will be missing the head === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,348 by andread 3/15/07 11:33:37 AM Reply	the MS fan here I like MS I don't think this blinds me so if they want to have 1 GB (what the public is told) or 2 GB (what real world users are told) I know I want more apparently there is an issue that came over from XP to Vista which makes Windows have a hard time with RAM over 3 GB so maybe I don't want 4 (or I want 64 bit and 8) I have enough XP boxes here to back up my conclusion that only those with 2 GB run in an acceptable manor -- which most don't have since Vista is new, it is likely to require more if anyone was able to go back to the various boards over the years I think they would see that most of the issues that have put me in a small minority were legal issues - none of us are lawyers but we are all opinionated a few were philosophical -- is the browser an integral part of the OS or should MS opponents compete in the industry or in the courts I certainly do not believe that MS can do no wrong I use MS stuff everyday: Server 2003 Server 2000 Windows 2000 Windows XP IE6 IE7 Office 2000 Office 2003 Office 2007 Visual Studio.NET 2005 corporate uses Exchange OWA some of these products are better than others but they all manage to get most of the work done they do not crash constantly (they do not have 99.99% uptime) they are not constantly virus or spyware infected although these things happen (less and less as time goes by) A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #278,352 by drewk 3/15/07 12:22:52 PM Reply	FWIW I think you're an MS fan the same way I think Beep is a Republican Party fan. Sure, you see the same warts with MS and their products that everyone else sees. It's just that you're the one who defends them. If someone slams Philadelphia, I might take the time to defend it. If they slam Cleveland I probably won't. And whether I do or not in either case will probably have more to do with my mood than with the validity of the slam or the merits of the city. Bottom line is, there are lots of unfair or misleading statements made here all the time about all kinds of products, people, companies and issues. The only ones you (seem to) care about correcting are the ones against Microsoft. That doesn't make you a shill, or an apologist, but it does IMO make you a "fan". === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,353 by andread 3/15/07 12:37:46 PM Reply	you forgot to say not that there's anything wrong with that A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #278,393 by crazy 3/15/07 7:16:16 PM Reply	Yes there is
Post #278,431 by andread 3/16/07 10:15:59 AM Reply	and that would be..... Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #278,536 by crazy 3/16/07 9:53:42 PM Reply	Lots (new thread) Created as new thread #278535 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=278535\|Lots]
Post #278,283 by crazy 3/14/07 9:55:50 PM Reply	I just ordered a system with 16GB 8 core dual socket 2Ghz Xeon. It'll boot VMWare, and then my Linux / Windows images will run under it. Wheeeeee!
Post #278,287 by drewk 3/14/07 10:15:19 PM Reply	Boot VMWare? Doesn't it need a host OS? === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,298 by crazy 3/14/07 10:42:11 PM Reply	Yep, nope. They use a stripped down tuned Linux kernel Dell ships it pre-installed and configured for their hardware as a package deal.
Post #278,301 by drewk 3/14/07 10:46:56 PM Reply	Does the free version do that, too? === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #278,309 by crazy 3/14/07 11:25:29 PM Reply	Nope Free version needs needs OS. And it slower. And stripped down.
Post #278,355 by folkert 3/15/07 12:57:54 PM 3/15/07 1:02:24 PM Reply	VMware ESX. ESX runs the machine. Everything is virtualized after that. Has been a very good product since it was published. I first sampled it in 2000. edit: oops a tpyo. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned. Edited by folkert March 15, 2007, 01:02:24 PM EDT Expand All History

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