That is not my experience and I have 3 dogs.

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by hnick

12/14/06 11:07:57 AM

That is not my experience and I have 3 dogs.

I have 2 retriever mutts and a miniature schnauzer. The alpha has put the schnauzer on her back a number of times without harming her. It's just a way of establishing superiority.

I also put them on their backs when they forget who's boss. I am not rough, but firm and I don't growl or threaten. I just stare into their eyes until they submit. Then I let them up. They remain friendly (sometimes overly so) and their main treat in the morning is to roll onto their backs for tummy rubs as part of their morning petting.

My 0.02

Post #275,814

by static

12/14/06 7:59:38 PM

There's an element of training in there.

I've been reminded of how I made friends with my mother-in-law's dog - an 8yro Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. I'm not afraid of dogs, but I won't have them doing what they like to me. She might have a favourite way to say 'Hello - Can I Be Your Friend?', but my response needs to be 'I Can Be Your Friend, But You're Never My Equal'. Without even realising I was doign it, I taught my mother-in-law's dog that I preferred to rub her belly in greeting, rather than have her jump up and lick my face. Within only a few weeks, she would roll over on her own accord as her way of greeting me.

So rollover submission can be taught. :-)

Wade.

"Don't give up!"

Our old dog died... And a new one is here. - (Arkadiy) - (55) - Dec. 9, 2006, 06:57:17 PM EST

Sincere condolences. It'll get easier over time. - (Another Scott) - (29) - Dec. 9, 2006, 07:11:30 PM EST

Trouble - (Arkadiy) - (28) - Dec. 12, 2006, 08:58:28 PM EST

FWIW you're right about who needs to be trained - (drewk) - (22) - Dec. 12, 2006, 09:12:50 PM EST

Alpha roll is method of last resort for experts. - (pwhysall) - (21) - Dec. 13, 2006, 08:16:12 AM EST

Since I have trained more dogs than you have et hot dinners - (boxley) - (5) - Dec. 13, 2006, 09:16:15 AM EST

Anecdotal. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Dec. 13, 2006, 10:45:58 AM EST

kiss my ass, you might be good at that - (boxley) - (3) - Dec. 13, 2006, 11:56:34 AM EST

You bothered to post /that/? - (pwhysall) - Dec. 13, 2006, 02:15:40 PM EST

It must be the holidays - (bepatient) - (1) - Dec. 13, 2006, 02:27:56 PM EST

naw, too much of einsteins theory is anecdotal :-) -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 13, 2006, 02:46:43 PM EST

We're talking about a specific behavior - (drewk) - (14) - Dec. 13, 2006, 08:47:43 PM EST

And an alpha roll is not the way to fix it. - (pwhysall) - (13) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:21:19 AM EST

I'm going to stop complaining now... - (pwhysall) - (12) - Dec. 14, 2006, 08:27:17 AM EST

Lots of good advice. - (Another Scott) - (11) - Dec. 14, 2006, 09:08:50 AM EST

You missed why the alpha roll causes problems. - (pwhysall) - (10) - Dec. 14, 2006, 09:14:38 AM EST

I didn't miss it, I disagree. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Dec. 14, 2006, 10:31:22 AM EST

Dog Whisper Bloke doesn't alpha roll dogs. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Dec. 14, 2006, 10:46:00 AM EST

I don't alpha roll dogs either. - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 14, 2006, 10:49:23 AM EST

Clarification. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 14, 2006, 11:14:08 AM EST

Training vs. breaking bad habits - (drewk) - Dec. 15, 2006, 09:35:18 PM EST

oh, did you get that crap from willyipedia? - (boxley) - (2) - Dec. 14, 2006, 10:55:28 AM EST

Whatever, Bill. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 14, 2006, 12:28:31 PM EST

yabut /me isin ixpert -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 14, 2006, 12:49:00 PM EST

That is not my experience and I have 3 dogs. - (hnick) - (1) - Dec. 14, 2006, 11:07:57 AM EST

There's an element of training in there. - (static) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:59:38 PM EST

nope you train the dog - (boxley) - Dec. 12, 2006, 09:25:37 PM EST

Both Drew and Box are right. - (static) - Dec. 12, 2006, 10:52:03 PM EST

Wolves aren't dogs, but.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Dec. 13, 2006, 07:41:50 PM EST

Here's an often ignored rule - (Silverlock) - (1) - Dec. 13, 2006, 10:15:54 PM EST

true, unless on parent has - (boxley) - Dec. 14, 2006, 10:58:00 AM EST

Must've been the weekend to hit the shelter - (bionerd) - (5) - Dec. 10, 2006, 10:05:56 AM EST

My kittens have all but grown up. - (static) - (4) - Dec. 10, 2006, 06:49:33 PM EST

OT: Check your W3C validation link -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Dec. 10, 2006, 08:33:20 PM EST

Eck. - (static) - Dec. 10, 2006, 10:28:36 PM EST

Nice pictures. - (bionerd) - (1) - Dec. 11, 2006, 07:04:27 PM EST

Thank you. - (static) - Dec. 11, 2006, 08:24:36 PM EST

Sorry to hear it. - (hnick) - Dec. 10, 2006, 10:12:12 AM EST

sorry to hear it, pits need strong owners - (boxley) - Dec. 10, 2006, 10:59:10 AM EST

condolences - (jbrabeck) - Dec. 10, 2006, 02:40:19 PM EST

Condolences - and congratulations... - (imric) - Dec. 10, 2006, 09:27:39 PM EST

Condolences, and good luck with the puppy! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Dec. 11, 2006, 12:13:43 AM EST

Condolences. And congrats! - (jb4) - Dec. 12, 2006, 10:40:10 PM EST

It never rains but it pours - (Arkadiy) - (12) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:19:56 PM EST

Congrats! Best of luck all around. -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:32:01 PM EST

its a pitt cross, they love to chew - (boxley) - Dec. 21, 2006, 11:23:46 PM EST

congrats! -NT - (Steve Lowe) - Dec. 22, 2006, 01:46:03 AM EST

May it all go well! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Dec. 23, 2006, 06:13:47 PM EST

I have failed... - (Arkadiy) - (7) - Jan. 2, 2007, 04:24:39 PM EST

I'm very sorry. Don't be hard on yourself. - (Another Scott) - Jan. 2, 2007, 04:38:32 PM EST

you didnt fail, you realized it wouldnt work - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 2, 2007, 05:19:43 PM EST

Ditto that thought. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 3, 2007, 11:16:44 PM EST

Sorry to hear that - (drewk) - Jan. 2, 2007, 08:29:02 PM EST

You did the right thing for your family AND the animal... -NT - (imric) - (1) - Jan. 2, 2007, 09:33:51 PM EST

*nod* - (Steve Lowe) - Jan. 3, 2007, 12:30:03 AM EST

You didn't fail, honestly! - (Nightowl) - Jan. 3, 2007, 11:42:03 PM EST

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